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You guys with idle/stall problems could save a lot of time chasing your tails if you would go through the Surging Idle Checklist. Over 50 different people contributed information to it. The first two posts have all the fixes, and steps through the how to find and fix your idle problems without spending a lot of time and money. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions. You can post questions to that sticky and have your name and idle problem recognized. The guys with original problems and fixes get their posts added to the main fix. :D

It's free, I don't get anything for the use of it except knowing I helped a fellow Mustang enthusiast with his car. At last check, it had more than 134,000 hits, which indicates it does help fix idle problems quickly and inexpensively.
 
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^^^ Thanks for the link I did check everything that the link says to do i did the Idle reset...checked TPS and adjusted checked and re-did the base idle...checked for VAC leaks...The car starts and runs fine...no problems there...the problem im having is after the car has been ruuning say like driving to work for 2o minutes i shut it off go to start it right back up to say move it..there lies my problem it will re-start and surge badly...and stall i have to start it back up and hold my foot on the gas until i can get it to idle on its own again then its fine...Thats weird no???????
 
No idle doesnt hang up at all i have it set at around 800-850 i did the idle re-set i had it as low as 550-600 car drives fine...i can it full boost no problem Air fuels are great...but if i go get gas shut it off go to re-start it then all hell breaks loose...it wont idle...goes from 500 to 1100 then i have to keep my foot on the gas to keep the idle up to keep the car running then it settles down and a way we go...its really weird..
 
Yes i did run the codes i posted that in another thread...i got 11 12 63 etc etc..some to do with no EGR...etc..oh one for a bad pip/dist but i changed the dist 2 yrs ago and never cleared the codes...
 
Ect is Engine Coolant Temp sensor and will certainly wreak havoc if un addadressed. I would start by clearing ALL codes, rest idle again, and see what codes reappear

I did change that a few yrs ago wonder if it went bad?...i will run codes again..have to wait for better weather...getting a few snowstorms this week..
 
This infor for the pip might be helpful since ou siad you had that code. They also wreak havoc on a warm engine. Its copied from a recent post by @jrichker


"PIP Sensor functionality, testing and replacement:[/b]
The PIP is a Hall Effect magnetic sensor that triggers the TFI and injectors. There is a shutter wheel alternately covers and uncovers a fixed magnet as it rotates. The change in the magnetic field triggers the sensor. A failing PIP sensor will often set code 14 in the computer. They are often heat sensitive, increasing the failure rate as the temperature increases.

Some simple checks to do before replacing the PIP sensor or distributor:
You will need a Multimeter or DVM with good batteries: test or replace them before you get started.. You may also need some extra 16-18 gauge wire to extend the length of the meter’s test leads.
Visual check first: look for chaffed or damaged wiring and loose connector pins in the TFI harness connector.

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Check the IDM wiring – dark green/yellow wire from the TFI module to pin 4 on the computer. There is a 22K Ohm resistor in the wiring between the TFI and the computer. Use an ohmmeter to measure the wire resistance from the TFI to the computer. You should see 22,000 ohms +/- 10%.
Check the PIP wiring - dark blue from the TFI module to pin 56 on the computer. Use an ohmmeter to measure the wire resistance from the TFI to the computer. You should see 0.2-1.5 ohms.
Check the SPOUT wiring – yellow/lt green from the TFI module to pin 36 on the computer. Use an ohmmeter to measure the wire resistance from the TFI to the computer. You should see 0.2-1.5 ohms.
Check the black/orange wire from the TFI module to pin 16 on the computer. Use an ohmmeter to measure the wire resistance from the TFI to the computer. You should see 0.2-1.5 ohms.
Check the red/green wire; it should have a steady 12-13 volts with the ignition switch on and the engine not running.
Check the red/blue wire; it should have a steady 12-13 volts with the ignition switch in Start and the engine not running. Watch out for the fan blades when you do this test, since the engine will be cranking.
If you do not find any chaffed or broken wires, high resistance connections or loose pins in the wiring harness, replace the PIP sensor or the distributor.

The PIP sensor is mounted in the bottom of the distributor under the shutter wheel. In stock Ford distributors, you have to press the gear off the distributor shaft to get access to it to replace it.

To remove the gear, first you drive out the roll pin that secures the gear to the shaft. Then you get to press the gear off with a hydraulic press or puller. When you go to press the gear back on, it has to be perfectly lined up with the hole in the gear and shaft. I have been told that the hole for the pin is offset slightly from center and may require some extra examination to get it lined up correctly.

Most guys just end up replacing the distributor with a remanufactured unit for about $75 exchange
PIP problems & diagnostic info
Spark with the SPOUT out, but not with the SPOUT in suggests a PIP problem. The PIP signal level needs to be above 6.5 volts to trigger the computer, but only needs to be 5.75 volts to trigger the TFI module. Hence with a weak PIP signal, you could get spark but no injector pulse. You will need an oscilloscope or graphing DVM to measure the output voltage since it is not a straight DC voltage.

See http://www.wellsmfgcorp.com/pdf/counterp_v8_i2_2004.pdf and http://www.wellsmfgcorp.com/pdf/counterp_v8_i3_2004.pdf for verification of this little detail from Wells, a manufacturer of TFI modules and ignition system products."
 
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Was it a parts stire piece or oem Ford?
That i cant answer you...probably a part store one i didnt install it, i had the car die on me had a shop about 2 yrs ago put it in...Tho he is one of the top guys around here with Mustangs tho...maybe it is the problem...dont want to go throwing parts at it yet tho....i would like to figure it out before i do that,....
 
If your issue is only at idle and it drives fine when warm then your pip is fine

you should NEVER drill a hole in the throttle bosy blade for any reason, thats why yo have a throttle body stop screw

If your idle is set to 800 in your tune then unplug the iac, spout, and tps connectors, with the engine at a warm stabilized idle set the stop screw so she idles stable at 700 rpm, shut her off and plug everything back in

/enjoy

chances are your issueS are tune related

http://info.efidynotuning.com/idleair101.htm
 
If your issue is only at idle and it drives fine when warm then your pip is fine

you should NEVER drill a hole in the throttle bosy blade for any reason, thats why yo have a throttle body stop screw

If your idle is set to 800 in your tune then unplug the iac, spout, and tps connectors, with the engine at a warm stabilized idle set the stop screw so she idles stable at 700 rpm, shut her off and plug everything back in

/enjoy

chances are your issueS are tune related

http://info.efidynotuning.com/idleair101.htm


Thanks I can give this a try see if it helps....