92 Won't Start, Stuck In Gear

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Hey guys, I'm on the road for work and my wife called me this morning to say car had quit on her in the driveway. She indicated it wouldn't turn over and was stuck in gear. (5 speed manual).

The car has power, accessories function as normal, digital meter I have on battery indicates 12.8 v. I'm wondering if it could be broken clutch cable, quadrant, etc. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Go home, get out the floor jack and jackstands. Be prepared to get dirty....

If the clutch cable broke, there would be no tension on the clutch pedal. Maybe you'll be lucky and the cable jumped off the clutch quadrant.

If the transmission will not come out of gear, you are probably going to get to pull the transmission out of the car. All the shifter mechanism except for the synchronizer parts for a T5 are in the tailshaft housing . That is not easy to remove with the transmission still in the car.

See http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/onlineorder/product.asp to download a FREE service manual for T5 or Tremec 3550/TKO
You will need the Adobe Acrobat viewer which is also a free download – http://get.adobe.com/reader/
 
Well, my wife has AAA so she had it towed to local repair shop. Guy says clutch is basically gone. It apparently does work, but he doesn't recommend driving it very far.

Anyway, I guess if I have to put a clutch in it, I would probably like to upgrade, or do something better than stock. Repair guy quoted $715 for a new, standard clutch.

What would you guys recommend? I need to try and make a decision by tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help.
 
hey audiophile, at the risk of being shot for not doing it myself this is what i did. its the smoothest easiest on my left leg of any ive used way easier than stock...

i had the king cobra and replaced it last fall with fms 10.5 - 10 spline part m-7560-a302n also mm ( may have been fms quad) quadrant and cable.... it is smooth as silk

summit descrip:
"Ford Racing clutch kits are set up to give you more capacity. They can handle 40 to 50 percent (or more) greater torque than the stock units. Their pressure plates are made from nodular iron, their clutch discs have a sprung hub for shock absorption and smooth operation, and they are made slightly thinner for quicker release.`"
 
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If you have the tools and mechanical talent to DIY it, here's how...

The clutch is toast. Get out your wallet and tools...

Transmission and Clutch replacement 79-95 V8 Mustangs

Before you get started, buy a Chilton or Haynes shop manual. You will need it for the bolt torques and patterns.

1.) Jack up the car front and rear, use jack stands to be safe. I use some very tall jackstands that I bought for my wife’s SUV to get enough clearance. To get the trans out when using a transmission jack, you will need 22”-25” clearance.
2.) Put a 2x4 wood block under the engine oil pan to support the engine. Jack it up slightly. This prevents damage to the motor mounts when the transmission mount is removed. The oil pan is plenty strong for this purpose. Disconnect the negative battery cable. You will need a couple of extensions and a ½” swivel socket to remove the top starter mount bolt, which is accessed from the front and under the headers. Leave the starter wiring connected unless you plan to change the starter at this time.
3.) Label all the wiring for the transmission before disconnecting it. Disconnect the O2 sensor cables at their connectors. Disconnect the speedo cable by pulling it straight out of the VSS sensor, or by removing the bolt that holds the VSS sensor in place. If you remove the VSS sensor, zip bag & tag it along with the bolt that secures in place.
4.) Remove the drive shaft, the rear bolts are 12 MM. You will need a high quality 12 point wrench for this: do not skimp or you risk rounding off the bolt heads. A helper to step on the brake to keep the drive shaft from turning will be helpful. Use your foot to apply pressure to the wrench to loosen the bolts. Note the yellow markings in the drive shaft and write down their alignment.
5.) Put a catch pan under the rear of the transmission to catch the fluid when you slide the yoke out of the transmission. I recommend that you drain the transmission at this time. There is a pair of pipe plug filler ports on the side of the transmission. Use the lower plug to drain the fluid.
6.) Inside the car, remove the shifter boot and then remove the shifter handle
7.) Remove the H pipe & rear trans cross member. The chassis to cross member bolts are metric, you need a 15 MM & 17 MM socket or wrench. Note the direction and size of the humps on the cross member and write it down. Inspect the rear transmission mount and replace if damaged.
8.) Remove the transmission. You will need a long extension & a universal joint with a ¾” socket. A transmission jack or a helper is almost a must have unless you can bench press 75-100 pounds with ease.

Steps 9-21 are for rear main engine oil seal, clutch removal and replacement.
9.) Remove the clutch cable cover and pry the throwout bearing arm forward enough to slide the cable off.
10.Remove the bell housing using the long extension & a universal joint socket. Note how the throwout bearing rides it the throwout bearing arm, and which end faces the clutch pressure plate. Write it down or make a drawing if necessary.
11.) Remove the bolts securing the pressure plate to flywheel. Be sure to label & zip bag them separately from the rest of the parts. Work in a star pattern to reduce stress on the pressure plate mounting tabs.
12.) Remove the flywheel mount bolts, as you will need to either replace or re-surface the flywheel. Be sure to label & zip bag them separately from the rest of the parts. Tap the locator dowels out of the flywheel with a 1/4" pin punch. Zip bag them together with the flywheel bolts.
13.) Inspect the transmission input shaft where the throwout bearing rides. Replace it if worn or damaged.
14.) Inspect the throwout bearing, throwout bearing arm and ball pivot stud for wear or damage.
15.) Inspect the rear oil seal for leakage and replace if required. A pair of drywall screws carefully screwed into the metal part of the seal will enable you to pull it out. Use some acetone & swabs to clean out the place where the old seal fit. Coat the outer metal shell with silicone gasket maker prior to installing it. Use a seal driver or the old seal to drive the new seal in place.
16.) Remove & replace the pilot bearing. A puller borrowed or rented is helpful here. A wood block will be used to drive it home.
17.) Install the flywheel, noting that the bolts are an odd pattern, and it only lines up one way so that all the bolts go in easily. Torque to specs according to the shop manual. Install the locator dowels at this time.
18.) Install the clutch disk with the hub springs facing the rear of the car. Use a pilot tool available for $3-$4 from the auto parts store to line it up.
19. Install the pressure plate, be sure to use the pilot tool prior to tightening the pressure plate bolts. Torque to specs according to the shop manual. Remove the pilot tool when you are finished torqueing the bolts.
20.) Install the throwout bearing on the throwout bearing arm, noting the direction of the bearing and it mounting in the arm.
21.) Install the bell housing. Torque to specs according to the shop manual.
22.) Reinstall the clutch cable by prying on the throwout bearing arm. Replacement of the stock cable or quadrant is recommended if you haven’t already done so. With adjustable cables, both nuts go on the back side of the throwout bearing arm.
End of clutch replacement steps

23.) Install the transmission, have the transmission jack or helper at hand to lift it into place. Watch out that the stub of the shifter does not tear the shifter boot. Some transmission mount bolts with the heads cut off can be used to help support the transmission as you slide it home. It may be necessary to press the clutch pedal to get the transmission to slide the last ½” or so. Remove the guide studs if you used them & torque to specs according to the shop manual.
24.) Reinstall the rear crossmember & transmission mount. Torque to specs according to the shop manual.
25.) Reinstall the wiring and speedo cable or VSS sensor if you removed it.
26.) Reinstall the drive shaft, slide the yoke in place. Align the rear yellow markings and install the bolts. A helper to step on the brake to keep the drive shaft from turning will be helpful. Use your foot to apply pressure to the wrench to tighten the bolts.
27.) Remove the jack from under the engine oil pan.
28.) Refill the transmission with the proper fluid. T5’s use Dextron ATF, Tremec 3550’s use GM Synchromesh. There is a pair of pipe plug filler ports on the side of the transmission. Use the top plug as the filler port.
29.) Adjust the clutch cable according the manufacturer’s instructions if you have an adjustable cable & quadrant. Set the emergency brake and use the drag it provides in order to determine where the clutch starts to engage. You should have 1 -1 ½” free play from the top. The cable will not have any slack and will have some preload on it when properly adjusted.
30.) Re-install the H pipe and remaining items.
31.) When you have visually checked all the bolts, fittings and other parts are present and not interfering with each other, then take the car down off the jack stands.
32.) Be prepared to put the car back up on the jack stands to adjust the clutch and tighten up any loose items found after the test drive…

If you have a T5, you may be able to remove the trans & re-install it if you can bench press the 75 lbs that it weighs. If 75 lbs is too heavy, don't hurt yourself, get a trans jack. If your car has a Tremec 3550 or TKO, you will need a helper or trans jack because it weighs 100 + lbs. I built a trans jack from 2x2 angle iron, some swivel casters, 2x4's, 2x6's and a cheap floor jack. PM me if you are interested & I will send you the photos (8 MB) with the write up.

While you are at it, replace the stock cable & quadrant if it is still present. My choice for clutch & quadrant for street use:
Ford Racing M-7560-A302N - Ford Racing Clutch Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com Ford Racing M-7560-A302N king cobra clutch kit $215-$259

Ford Racing M-6375-B302 - Ford Racing Flywheels - Overview - SummitRacing.com flywheel, cast iron $92


New items – the King Cobra clutch kit may not be in stock, so here’s the replacement:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/F...ilter=1&query=Part+Type|Throwout+BearingsFord Racing clutch kit #FMS-M-7560-E302, $25, no throwout bearing included with the kit.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-7548-A/ Ford Racing throwout bearing FMS-M-7548-A $52.

The quadrant needs to be replaced if you use any type of aftermarket cable or adjuster. My preference is a Ford Racing quadrant, adjustable cable and Steeda firewall adjuster. The adjustable Ford Racing cable is just a good as the stock OEM cable. It allows a greater range of adjustment than a stock cable with a aftermarket quadrant and firewall adjuster. Combined with the Steeda adjuster, it lets you set the initial cable preload and then fine tune the clutch engagement point to your liking without getting under the car.

Using a stock OEM cable and a single hook quadrant may result in not having any free pedal travel before the clutch starts to disengage. I found this out the hard way.

See Summit Racing - High Performance Car and Truck Parts l 800-230-3030 for the following parts.
Ford Racing M-7553-B302 - Ford Racing V-8 Mustang Adjustable Clutch Linkage Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com Cable and quadrant assembly $90
Steeda Autosports 555-7021 - Steeda Autosports Firewall Cable Adjusters - Overview - SummitRacing.com Steeda firewall adjuster. $40

Fix for the quadrant end of the cable popping out of the quadrant when installing a replacement cable courtesy of Grabbin' Asphalt
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Thanks for the info guys.

I'm definitely thinking about going with the Ford Racing stuff you both recommend above. There is an Exedy kit out there but it's apparently recommended to not use the throwout bearing it comes with due to plenty of noise complaints. They recommend the Ford Racing bearing.

Spoke to the shop this morning. If I bring my own parts, labor is quoted at $380-$400.

Even though it's a little more, think I'll just go with the above from Summit. Rather do it right the first time.
 
That's not too much for the labor. At $80 an hour, that about 5 hours which is reasonable the first time the transmission is removed. The header to H pipe bolts often are so corroded that they are very difficult to remove.
 
yep, what jrichker said, if its a good shop it is, plus he should resurface your flywheel new cable install adjust etc... when u get home you get to drive it 500 miles to break it in too :)

btw i saw your photo journal, curious how those door speaker cases work out they look nice!
 
yep, what jrichker said, if its a good shop it is, plus he should resurface your flywheel new cable install adjust etc... when u get home you get to drive it 500 miles to break it in too :)

btw i saw your photo journal, curious how those door speaker cases work out they look nice!

Thanks! I will post some pictures as soon as I get them finished.
 
Well, received the parts from Summit and MM that included new clutch, flywheel, throwout bearing, pilot bearing, cable, quadrant, and hardware. Dropped the car off at the shop yesterday afternoon.

So far, they have run into a few issues. Couple of bolts froze/shearing off due to rust, etc. Also, apparently there is something they are calling a "back plate"?? It's rusted to the point of needing replacing. They said 2 days on that part. Looks like its going to cost me more money than I was expecting, but I should have known. :dammit:

Oh well, not going to complain too much as long as its done right. This is my first experience with this shop so I tried to let them know ahead of time how much the car means to me, how detailed I am, etc. I'll post an update when it's all finished.
 
Stopped by the shop yesterday on my way home. Even though I had spoken to the owner on the phone a few times, wanted to stop in and introduce myself in person. He was nice, before I even had a chance to ask he offered to take me over and show me what they were doing and what was going on.

The "back plate" is actually what appears to be a thin metal spacer between the bell housing and engine. It was in pretty rough shape, broken in places and cracked in others.

Took a look at the bolts where the exhaust pipes connect to the headers. Man, those things are toast. Shop has been able to work around it, but it's definitely something I'm going to have to address in the future.

Anyway, will update again as soon as she's ready.
 
Alright, picked the car up about an hour ago. :banana:

So far, clutch seems very nice. It's certainly smoother and just overall easier to drive. Time will give further indication, but as of now, I'm very pleased.

Cost was right in the area of what he quoted up front. The few additional issues did run up the total higher than I would have liked, but again, right where he quoted.

Thanks to everyone who offered advice and comments!!! Now.....on to some suspension upgrades. ;)