Intake, Power Pipe, Throttle Body Setup Opinions

[FoxMustangLvr]

My current combo for my N/A 88' Coupe:
Edelbrock Performer heads (2.02 in/1.60 ex) w/ mild port
TFS stage 2 cam
Edelbrock RPM intake manifold, possibly upgrading to RPM 2
BBK full legth 1 5/8" headers, H-pipe, flowmaster 40s
T-5

Need opinions only on throttle body forward setup below,
-BBK 70mm TB with EGR plate (i already have this)
-Anderson N/A power pipe 3.5"
-PMAS 77mm bullet MAF

Link for power pipe
http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.c...-power-pipe-fits-86-93-mustang-5-0l-af-0105c/

 

[mikestang63]

sounds like a plan. Whag size injectors?

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Looks good. Have the same pipe on my N/A 330 with Pro-M 80mm and 30lb injectors. I bought mine used and it was a little scratched up on the outside, so I painted it wrinkle black. Looks factory.

You won't starve for air with that thing on there.

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

I just picked up 30# injectors from a forum member at a decent price. Slightly big for my setup but they'll work okay. Problem is there is no places in my area to dyno tune but there is a place that can dyno and send the data to somebody in West Washington that can create a tune. Never messed with tuning before so not exactly what is needed and how it works but I'll learn soon enough.

 

[elarm1]

wanna buy a 4"APP?

 

[mikestang63]

I just picked up 30# injectors from a forum member at a decent price. Slightly big for my setup but they'll work okay. Problem is there is no places in my area to dyno tune but there is a place that can dyno and send the data to somebody in West Washington that can create a tune. Never done messed with tuning before so not exactly what is needed and how it works but I'll learn soon enough.

I've always been leery about mail order tunes. Yes most combinations have been done x 1000, but each car is different and you will get a much better tune with the car at the shop. I would recommend even if you have to drive a few hours to find someone that you can take it to.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

If the Pro-M MAF meter is properly calibrated to the injectors, it should run "OK", but it'll never be perfect until you have it tuned. After much deliberation....I'm 99% sure I'm going to got with a Megasquirt set up with my car. Plug and play, no BS and from what I hear, a much easier learning curve that the Moats set up.

If you haven't purchased your MAF meter yet, consider the Megasquirt as a tuning option as well, as you'll be able to do away with a MAF meter altogether. That $300 you save not buying the Mass Air Meter will just about cover half the cost of the Megasquirt. Spend another $200 on a wide band and you can do all the custom tuning your heart desire.....

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/...g-and-play-for-19861993-50-mustang-p-418.html

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

If the Pro-M MAF meter is properly calibrated to the injectors, it should run "OK", but it'll never be perfect until you have it tuned. After much deliberation....I'm 99% sure I'm going to got with a Megasquirt set up with my car. Plug and play, no BS and from what I hear, a much easier learning curve that the Moats set up.

If you haven't purchased your MAF meter yet, consider the Megasquirt as a tuning option as well, as you'll be able to do away with a MAF meter altogether. That $300 you save not buying the Mass Air Meter will just about cover half the cost of the Megasquirt. Spend another $200 on a wide band and you can do all the custom tuning your heart desire.....

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/...g-and-play-for-19861993-50-mustang-p-418.html

That's funny you mention Megasquirt. I was just talking to AFM yesterday on the phone and they said there wasn't a programmable tuning device or chip that would eliminate the need for having a MAF.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

That's funny you mention Megasquirt. I was just talking to AFM yesterday on the phone and they said there wasn't a programmable tuning device or chip that would eliminate the need for having a MAF.

Damn....nobody told those guys that? To be fair though, AFM is probably right. No "tuning device" or "chip" that I'm aware of will allow you to eliminate the MAF meter....but the Megasquirt isn't one of those things. It takes place of your stock ECU entirely.

http://www.megasquirtpnp.com/mspnp_faq.php

Can I remove my mass air flow sensor or vane air flow meter using an MSPNP?
Yes. The MSPNP has a built in MAP sensor, letting you run speed density. This means it has no need of a mass air flow sensor, and you can replace yours with a length of straight pipe if you're so inclined. We've often seen a measureable horsepower gain from this on a dyno, particularly if you have a vane style air flow meter.

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

The MS2PNP sounds pretty good along with a wideband 02

 

[hoopty5.0]

I've been planning on the MSII w/ 3.0 board, but after reading about the DIY PNP's capabilities and ease of assembly, there is no reason to think twice about it. And at $419, it is very cost effective.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

I'd reaaaaaly love to see a picture heavy "do it yourself" assembly video/instruction manual simple enough for a 5th grader to understand. I keep hearing how easy they are to build for anyone with a grasp of basic electronics, but I can't for the life of me understand then why they wouldn't just include detailed instructions with the kit?

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

I've been reading some of the forums that were started by MegaSQ and they seem knowledgeable and very helpful with answering questions. A lot of positive reviews in the forums as well from people actually using the product.

Can you still get DTC's with megasqrt?

 

[hoopty5.0]

I'd reaaaaaly love to see a picture heavy "do it yourself" assembly video/instruction manual simple enough for a 5th grader to understand. I keep hearing how easy they are to build for anyone with a grasp of basic electronics, but I can't for the life of me understand then why they wouldn't just include detailed instructions with the kit?

Www.megamanual.com

 

[hoopty5.0]

I'd reaaaaaly love to see a picture heavy "do it yourself" assembly video/instruction manual simple enough for a 5th grader to understand. I keep hearing how easy they are to build for anyone with a grasp of basic electronics, but I can't for the life of me understand then why they wouldn't just include detailed instructions with the kit?

Also, there are no instructions with the kit because there are thousands of possible configurations and applications.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Coming from somebody that has personally assembled three kits from scratch (one of which was a DIYPNP) There is nothing easier about assembling that kit. It is still just as tedious as the MSII/V3 , as it has everything internally the same. The difference is the plug that allows the finished unit to take the place of the old EECIV w/o the need for a additional harness to the engine.

 

[mikestang63]

FYI......http://forums.corral.net/forums/ele...1765242-moates-quarterhorse-$200-shipped.html

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Coming from somebody that has personally assembled three kits from scratch (one of which was a DIYPNP) There is nothing easier about assembling that kit. It is still just as tedious as the MSII/V3 , as it has everything internally the same. The difference is the plug that allows the finished unit to take the place of the old EECIV w/o the need for a additional harness to the engine.

1 to 10 scale of difficulty for your average gear head?

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

1 to 10 scale of difficulty for your average gear head?

10

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

Which is why if I was to get the MS2 I'd get the PNP, it's already put together and all you have to do is remove your old EEC-IV and plug in the MS and start your car up. It uses a base tune designed for GT-40p heads, explorer intake and whatever cam (i forget). You play with your fuel, air and timing and you should be off and running. No wiring, no soldiering for your typical HCI 302 owner.

edit: I forgot, you need/should remove your MAF and plug the MAF connector to your new MS unit.