Mustang Performance Handbook 2

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90lxwhite said:
Didn't you write that book? :D
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I wish I had of. I don'y know why the damn thing is so obscure that you have to go and ask your local library to get one from the library of congress, but if there's only one copy there, I'd imagine that is one raggedy, fingerprinted, oil stained son of a b itch. I'm sure its in a glass case right next to the Declaration of Independence.

I wanted to use that book to build/modify the suspension on the G.M. I planned on the car having a TA/3 link rear, and a stock but heavily modified (as per the book) front K member/suspension. I had one 20 years ago, and used it to do the same to one of my other project cars, (built the exact same TA as per the instructions that are posted at the top of this thread page) but sold the car before I could use any of the mods, and the wife tossed the book when I told her "I'll never read that again" back in the late 90's.
 

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madmike1157 said:
I wish I had of. I don'y know why the damn thing is so obscure that you have to go and ask your local library to get one from the library of congress, but if there's only one copy there, I'd imagine that is one raggedy, fingerprinted, oil stained son of a b itch. I'm sure its in a glass case right next to the Declaration of Independence.

I wanted to use that book to build/modify the suspension on the G.M. I planned on the car having a TA/3 link rear, and a stock but heavily modified (as per the book) front K member/suspension. I had one 20 years ago, and used it to do the same to one of my other project cars, (built the exact same TA as per the instructions that are posted at the top of this thread page) but sold the car before I could use any of the mods, and the wife tossed the book when I told her "I'll never read that again" back in the late 90's.
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Ha! Yeah maybe the history channel will make a show, "Finding The Suspension Guide."
 
#43
I gave you guys the how to get the book. So, like they say in the macadamia nut commercial "Get crackin"

I would like a PDF copy once it is available for free download...
 
#47
Boosted92LX said:
My hard copy is on order..
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And I'm curious,....How much did you pay? Cheapest I've seen the copies "used" was close to 100.00 via Amazon.

And New copies over 200.00. WTF makes that paperback worth collectible status? Everything in that book is based on using stock or homemade solutions based on early 90's technology VS what the current aftermarket is offering (like MM, Steeda, UPR) in a box.
 
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madmike1157 said:
And I'm curious,....How much did you pay? Cheapest I've seen the copies "used" was close to 100.00 via Amazon.

And New copies over 200.00. WTF makes that paperback worth collectible status? Everything in that book is based on using stock or homemade solutions based on early 90's technology VS what the current aftermarket is offering (like MM, Steeda, UPR) in a box.
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59 bucks on ebay.
 
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madmike1157 said:
And New copies over 200.00. WTF makes that paperback worth collectible status? Everything in that book is based on using stock or homemade solutions based on early 90's technology VS what the current aftermarket is offering (like MM, Steeda, UPR) in a box.
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Something to put out on the coffee table or to display in the "man cave" for nostalgia purposes maybe? I can't see it being of any practical use these days when one can find most of the answers needed via the net for free. The mustang handbook 3 would be pretty thin. It say to purchase a "MM Grip Box" and a TFS Top end kit and go get a tune.
 
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Well, it has blueprints for building suspension components and other cool stuff for people that can actually do that sort of thing. Probably not for the pay someone to work on their car crowd..

And don't get me wrong, I love MM.. but if I can build a torque arm for 50 bucks in material vs what they sell them for.. yeah. Worth it.
 
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No one interested in getting their local library to get a loaner copy from the Library of Congress? It doesn't cost anything, and the only requirement is a local library card. Those are usually free, or for a small fee.

Once again, here is the process...

The Library of Congress maintains copies of every book that was ever copyrighted. Publishers are required by law to furnish copies of the book to the Library of Congress as part of the copyright law. Public libraries can request a loaner from the Library of Congress . There may be some small shipping and handling charges, but they would be much less expensive that buying the book.

I found the ISBN number (Google is your friend...) There is a 10 digit format and a 13 digit format
Mustang Performance Handbook 2
ISBN-10: 1557882029
ISBN-13: 978-1557882028

Mustang Performance Handbook 1
ISBN-10: 1557881936
ISBN-13: 9781557881939
 
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#53
Boosted92LX said:
Well, it has blueprints for building suspension components and other cool stuff for people that can actually do that sort of thing. Probably not for the pay someone to work on their car crowd..

And don't get me wrong, I love MM.. but if I can build a torque arm for 50 bucks in material vs what they sell them for.. yeah. Worth it.
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Well be advised,...I built that torque arm from the book as per the plans.I didn't actually install it on my car, I sold it, and the panhard bar to allow removal of the top two upper C/A's to a friend that did on his. And it bound the rear suspension up. I don't remember exactly what the problem was,but I believe that the swing arc of the rear end was restricted by the thing, effectively stopping all rear end bump travel. He took the thing to another guy that cut the solid heim ended front off of the bar, and made a slider "tube" for the heim end to travel in to allow the T/A to extend and compress with the rear end movement (much like the driveshaft has to do). After that "mod" the thing worked, but was noisy as hell going over bumps and he took it off. (and threw it away.)

So, maybe they're just "plans" in that book, and not from practical experience.
 
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madmike1157 said:
Well be advised,...I built that torque arm from the book as per the plans.I didn't actually install it on my car, I sold it, and the panhard bar to allow removal of the top two upper C/A's to a friend that did on his. And it bound the rear suspension up. I don't remember exactly what the problem was,but I believe that the swing arc of the rear end was restricted by the thing, effectively stopping all rear end bump travel. He took the thing to another guy that cut the solid heim ended front off of the bar, and made a slider "tube" for the heim end to travel in to allow the T/A to extend and compress with the rear end movement (much like the driveshaft has to do). After that "mod" the thing worked, but was noisy as hell going over bumps and he took it off. (and threw it away.)

So, maybe they're just "plans" in that book, and not from practical experience.
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That sounds like an interesting geometry problem. Bumps and dips in the pavement go up and down in more or less a straight line motion.However the torque arm must swing in an arc to go up and down. That might be the cause of the binding that you heard about. I wonder how MM got around this. Maybe that's the reason why they get $$$ for the engineering that goes into their products.
 
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jrichker said:
That sounds like an interesting geometry problem. Bumps and dips in the pavement go up and down in more or less a straight line motion.However the torque arm must swing in an arc to go up and down. That might be the cause of the binding that you heard about. I wonder how MM got around this. Maybe that's the reason why they get $$$ for the engineering that goes into their products.
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Like I've said earlier in this thread, I planned to use that book to make the suspension mods to the current project. 15 years ago, I did all of the stuff that book lists for front suspension (changing front C/A mount angles for better anti-dive, raising the rack mounts to allow the front end to be lowered to minimize bump steer, grinding the strut mounting holes to allow the struts to tilt out more and afford more negative camber) it amounted to a bunch of very precise cutting and rewelding to the stock K member. I also made the T/A , mount, and the panhard bar as per the plans as well I bolted them all into the then Current Fairmont project (which in the end ended up being a stinkin' drag car), and I traded all of the stuff I did to the guy that ended up w/ the T/A problems.

When this car came along, and i decided that I'd get a copy and do it all again, I contacted Griggs, and bought their front mount kit for their T/A, so the travel problem wouldn't exist on the new car. Their "kit" is nothing more that a piece of high durometer rubber sandwiched between the mount and the T/A, w/ a single grade 8 bolt that slides on a slotted mount to bolts to a eye welded to the front of the T/A.

Since I couldn't find the damn book, the whole rear/front suspension mod thing got shelved, and I ended up going back to stock mounting the front and rear C/A's but used UPR rears in back, and stock, poly bushed lowers in front.
In retrospect, as much sh it as I have going on the stupid car, having to deal w/ some suspension kink as a result of an irreversibly extensively reworked K member, or goofy assed, ground dragging T/A is just more meat than what I want on my plate right now.
 
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Wound up being 40 bucks on ebay..lol
 
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I have both of those books, got them years ago when I first started on my car. I did follow much of the advice and modifications at first as there was little or no ready made components available then. When I finally resumed the project after its extended dormancy, I found it was easier and more time effective to go with the ready made parts from Maximum Motorsports, probably better engineered than what can be done with simply modifying the stock stuff too. Although, it probably could be done much cheaper if one wanted to go to the time and effort and I can see the appeal of that for many.

I'll have to give some though to selling the books, I'm not sure if I'll have future use for them or not.
 
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