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That HVAC plate... Ouch. I figured as much about the masking, hence suggesting model paint and a little brush. Can you buy a replacement face for it separately?
Think it's screwed, Paint got on the rheostat surface for the temp control so, no more contact between the knob, and the little "board" that resistance changes on as you move it.

At least it looks like I got paint on it. I'll call Vintage air tomorrow to see if I can get just the faceplate, and hope that the surface of the Rstat isn't contaminated.
 
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Bought this at O'Reilly to insulate my new starter cable so I don't melt it on my crossover pipe like my old starter cable... 3/4 x 3 ft for 18 bucks I think.. gonna also wrap the crossover pipe.

might work for ya... haven't used it yet so....
I actually have some left-over turbo blanket from a million years ago, That stuff kinda looks like what I have, what holds it on the hose/cable?
 
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Looks like header wrap stitched together with aluminum reflective coating. I've bought better stuff from jegs but it was around 80 bucks man.. I'll take pics of that if you want to see it.
 
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Looks like header wrap stitched together with aluminum reflective coating. I've bought better stuff from jegs but it was around 80 bucks man.. I'll take pics of that if you want to see it.

Nope no need. Thanks anyway. Exact same stuff I've had for ten years now. (I just haven't had the heart to throw it away.) It was originally supposed to be for a turbo blanket, but the kit was so cheesy, I never used it.

I figure I'll cut some off, and make a wrap of sorts, and secure it w/ a couple of hose clamps at the top and bottom,...Maybe that'll help.
 
Just got caught up on the dash modifications. Very nice. I would agree I would leave the gauges in place and work around them. They look good where they are.

Do you have the model number of that radio? that is exactly what I am looking for. I cant remember the last time I used or played a CD. I want to toss one in my truck, mustang and build a custom enclosure in my tool box for one that runs of the house outlet.
 
Just got caught up on the dash modifications. Very nice. I would agree I would leave the gauges in place and work around them. They look good where they are.

Do you have the model number of that radio? that is exactly what I am looking for. I cant remember the last time I used or played a CD. I want to toss one in my truck, mustang and build a custom enclosure in my tool box for one that runs of the house outlet.


See what happens when you leave your thread unattended? :D
 
Wow....

Several days spent working on the car, and not really one thing to talk about. Will that stop me from telling you about it?....hell no.

The Wiring phase has proven to be more spinning my wheels, and "this has gotta happen before that can" even more so than the dash.

Take the crank trigger into consideration:

I don't know where I got the VR sensor. It's been so long since I bought the thing. Now that I'm at a stage where it matters, that has become an issue. EDIS uses a 2 wire VR sensor. The one I bought has three. EDIS is analog, My 3 wire crank sensor is digital. (I think). Consequently, it won't work. The actual crank sensor that is supposed to go with that is different to the point that it would require a complete redesign of the mount. (I'm not feeling that)

So knowing that I have another MSD two wire sensor in some drawer, I start grubbing around till I find it. Success! The good part is that it almost fits the hole that the old sensor was in. All I had to do was run a tap through the hole (cause the MSD sensor body is threaded) and I'll be good.

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Did this solve the problem?

Nope.

See this is the way I go about doing things:

Shoot first, ask questions later.

The question I should asked myself first was: What is different from the way an MSD crank trigger works from the factory EDIS system?

Instead, I shot outta the garage, and bought the 20.00 3/4-16 tap to tap that hole, and make the MSD sensor fit.

Had I done it the "prudent" way, I would've known that MSD uses a system they called "flying magnet" where four magnets are placed at 90 degree intervals on the trigger wheel. So in essence, the MSD trigger is looking for a magnet to come whizzing by to trigger a MSD computer to fire the specific cylinder.

The Ford sensor is a magnet. It's looking for a single, big assed gap to tell the factory EDIS box, to fire the cylinder.

Bottom line, I gotta source the correct sensor, and rebuild the mount to accommodate it.
I tell ya, I'm my own worst enemy.

And true to form, I get to thinking about what kind of provisions are needed from the ECU (that I built from a kit) to do what, and when I want it to to turn water pumps, and cooling fans on and off based on coolant temp. So I get to looking back at the ECU that I built last December 2013.

Did I make the proper alterations/modifications so that I could control those events in programming?

Nope, didn't think about that either.

So I opened ol' dude back up.
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I do some research, and add the necessary jumpers so that I will be able to tell the ECU if and when to turn the water pump and fan on. Then I open the can of worms.

And it spills out all over the table.

See, I also bought the megasquirt electronic boost control solenoid kit at the same time. But because I could not find a set of instructions (that made sense to me) at the time, I postponed adding the necessary circuitry to make that happen. Now that I had the ECU open, I was damn well gonna do it now. And for the next 8 hours, struggle trying to understand a simple three circuit, 4 wire mod. I finally went to bed at 2AM. Still needing to e-mail MSII tech to ask a question.

The stupid expensive steering wheel comes in, so I hop right to installing it. It was supposed to 1.5" bigger in diameter than the old wheel, in actuality it was only an inch. It was supposed to work with the 60.00 spacer hub that was currently on the column, in actuality, it used a standard Grant steering wheel adapter (which I had).

So, lets take inventory of what I accomplished by this swap:

The wheel needed to be bigger to allow me to see the gauges better. This one was one inch bigger.:tu:
However, the fact that I lost almost 2" of spacing puts the wheel that much closer to the gauge pod. I probably have lost visibility.:ughdown:
I wanted something different. Something classier than what I have ever had before.
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While it's "classier" than any wheel I had before, is it that much different?

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Nope.

How happy am I about that?

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How happy do i look?

The boost gauge came in. It's better than the Cyberdyne that i sent back. I remove the center trim ring from the main gauge pod, and paint it. Then for the next 8 hours cannot touch it w/o leaving a finger print. I don't know what in the hell kinda paint I'm buying, but I don't want to have to wait till tommorrow to assemble a simple gauge trim ring because it has a week long cure time after painting. Never had paint from a rattle can take so long to dry.

I wiped off the paint (along with my finger prints) and am waiting till Monday to buy some stinkin' paint that'll be dry in a couple of hours, rather than 24.

So that's about it.Last three days wasted. Nothing but a wheel that looks like the one I use to have, a boost ga. installed, and a VR sensor (that I don't even have) that still needs to be fitted.
 
So....rather than letting the paint dry for 24 hours, you are going to wait 24 hours to buy different paint?

Sorry, i'm done casting stones. I love checking in at the end of the weekend to see your updates. Car is really looking good, I am very impressed with the interior so far.

Joe
 
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If the sensor is typical of the type used in the 5.0 EFI Mustang, it uses a magnet on one side of the slotted wheel and the sensor on the other side. When the slots in the wheel uncover the magnet, the sensor turns on. As you noted, the wide slot indicates the start of the firing order. The sensor electronics generate a pulse which looks like a digital output (square wave) from the sensor that fires off the TFI module.

Digital vs. Analog signals:
Typical digital logic depends on a minimum output level (about 0.5 volt) for a 0 and about 2.5 volts for a 1. That means there is significant tolerance for electrical noise and spikes. Digital logic has significant advantages over analog logic. Wave shapes, voltages and pulse widths are in tightly controlled specifications so that the circuit always knows what to expect when things are working correctly. Digital sensors typically only have one signal output and use ground as the path to complete the circuit.

Analog signals are subject to problems created by an electrically noisy environment like under the hood of a car. That's why you saw the differential input on the EDIS module. It helps to improve rejection of spurious electrical noise. There is no generally accepted standard for the levels of an analog signal like there is for digital logic.

Single and double ended analog sensors:
A typical application in EFI Mustangs is the speed sensor used by the cruise control. When guys try to run an electronic speedometer, they usually run into problems because the have a single ended input on the speedo, and a differential output on the speed sensor. The cheat is to ground one side of the sensor output and connect the other sensor output to the input of the speedo. The power ground supplies the rest of the signal path for the device.

The cheat also works in in reverse: single ended sensor and differential input of the device. Ground the negative differential input of the device and connect the sensor output to the device's positive differential input. Not as efficient or as immune to electrical noise, but in many cases, it will work reasonably well. The other output of the sensor uses the sensor's internal ground as part of the signal path.

Now that the electronics lesson is over, you are back to trying to find a duplicate of the original trigger device for the EDIS module with an analog output. Good luck; it is out there, but you're going to have to do some digging...
 
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If the sensor is typical of the type used in the 5.0 EFI Mustang, it uses a magnet on one side of the slotted wheel and the sensor on the other side. When the slots in the wheel uncover the magnet, the sensor turns on. As you noted, the wide slot indicates the start of the firing order. The sensor electronics generate a pulse which looks like a digital output (square wave) from the sensor that fires off the TFI module.

Digital vs. Analog signals:
Typical digital logic depends on a minimum output level (about 0.5 volt) for a 0 and about 2.5 volts for a 1. That means there is significant tolerance for electrical noise and spikes. Digital logic has significant advantages over analog logic. Wave shapes, voltages and pulse widths are in tightly controlled specifications so that the circuit always knows what to expect when things are working correctly. Digital sensors typically only have one signal output and use ground as the path to complete the circuit.

Analog signals are subject to problems created by an electrically noisy environment like under the hood of a car. That's why you saw the differential input on the EDIS module. It helps to improve rejection of spurious electrical noise. There is no generally accepted standard for the levels of an analog signal like there is for digital logic.

Single and double ended analog sensors:
A typical application in EFI Mustangs is the speed sensor used by the cruise control. When guys try to run an electronic speedometer, they usually run into problems because the have a single ended input on the speedo, and a differential output on the speed sensor. The cheat is to ground one side of the sensor output and connect the other sensor output to the input of the speedo. The power ground supplies the rest of the signal path for the device.

The cheat also works in in reverse: single ended sensor and differential input of the device. Ground the negative differential input of the device and connect the sensor output to the device's positive differential input. Not as efficient or as immune to electrical noise, but in many cases, it will work reasonably well. The other output of the sensor uses the sensor's internal ground as part of the signal path.

Now that the electronics lesson is over, you are back to trying to find a duplicate of the original trigger device for the EDIS module with an analog output. Good luck; it is out there, but you're going to have to do some digging...

Thanks James, er Joe, uhh,...Jack, John, Jason, Jesus, what ever your name is.
I always appreciate your input.

Believe it or not, you have a double (of sorts) from New Zealand. Like you, the replies he provides are brimming w/ information. He Typically haunts the 6 cylinder forums, and FEP. For whatever reason, he thinks that I am doing something special w/ my 6 hole time bomb.

He has supplied me w/ a SMP part number for another sensor. It was cheap enough, so I went out and bought it and the pigtail. The bracket I had had to be uhh.......modified to accomodate the new sensor. The leftover remnant is a hacked together piece that all I can say about is..that it works.
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It's actually in two pieces now instead of one. Actually worked better than the old one in that it allows me to articulate the sensor so that it sits directly over the tooth at the exact same angle.

All of that will be for naught if any of it comes loose, and now there are 4 opportunities for that to happen, as opposed to the previous version that only had two. The top bolts are too long, and are double nutted to hopefully keep this junk locked in place.

The pigtail is my next obstacle. I don't know which color (grey or green) is positive. The EDIS module has a grey and blue that used to go to the sensor, and grey is positive. I put the thing in a vise, hooked up my multi meter, switched it to AC mode, wired the two leads to the pigtail, and moved a screwdriver close enough to the sensor to cause the meter to move. Although far from scientific, I think one way produced a higher reading than the other.

Or, I could be full of crap.

I did get alot of the engine wired, but don't have a pic. Besides, it wasn't really ready for that anyway.
 
Ahh Complete Custom Wiring with hardly any reference or Diagrams- that is truly scary to me,and well above my pay grade lol . But impressive as always. I have been meaning to ask; Hows the New welder working out? Your old mig collecting dust in the corner? Lol
 
I saw this last night @madmike1157 and instantly thought of you, hopefully it can provide some inspiration or at the least some assurance that the franken 6 banger will be equally as epic!
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Heck, for all I know this is your distant cousin:cool:


They must have done that just cuz. Did you listen to him explain how the crank was setup?
 
I saw this last night @madmike1157 and instantly thought of you, hopefully it can provide some inspiration or at the least some assurance that the franken 6 banger will be equally as epic!
BangShift.com Ford Cleveland V12

Heck, for all I know this is your distant cousin:cool:

Thanks for the link, and I can assure you that I don't know that guy. It is very cool though, and I can't wait till i get the thing on the rollers to see if it'll make the power I'm hoping for as well.
 
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