To Build, Or Not To Build,.....that Is The Question.

There was a person here who pays/paid people to work on his stuff that once made the infamous quote that "You shouldn't waste your time with a home built motor because it will not last as long as a professionally built one"

Of course, anyone with half a brain knows that that is a completely false statement. It also lends itself to the thought that whoever would make such a statement has no idea what he's doing and needs to pay someone to do his work..

Nobody said people who pay others don't know how to do the work, But some people who do pay others to have certainly told off on themselves with dimwitted comments.

Any idea who the dimwit that made that comment is?

Here, i'll give you the quote since you prefer to add your own spin on it.
"Explorer engines are dirt cheap. Rebuilding your 302 will certainly cost more than a JY explorer engine and probably be less reliable"

I know you think everyone should build every piece of their car.
But thinking everyone should build their own engine is ignorant.
I do electrical work, do you think I should pour my own foundation too?

And who have I paid ever?
You don't know me, nor should you pretend to.
I have very qualified friends that lend a hand and advice, along with having a car lift in my garage.
The last time I paid someone to do anything is about 20 years ago.
Just because I didn't build my shortblock, doesn't mean I paid either.

I still find it ironic, that everyone must build everything in your eyes, yet you buy an On3 turbo kit... Kinda hypocritical isn't it? Even worse when you do spend money, you buy garbage.

Here's an idea, leave me out of your posts and i'll leave you out of mine.
Something I already do, so it won't be all that tough for me.
 
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Any idea who the dimwit that made that comment is?

Here, i'll give you the quote since you prefer to add your own spin on it.
"Explorer engines are dirt cheap. Rebuilding your 302 will certainly cost more than a JY explorer engine and probably be less reliable"

I know you think everyone should build every piece of their car.
But thinking everyone should build their own engine is ignorant.
I do electrical work, do you think I should pour my own foundation too?

And who have I paid ever?
You don't know me, nor should you pretend to.
I have very qualified friends that lend a hand and advice, along with having a car lift in my garage.
The last time I paid someone to do anything is about 20 years ago.
Just because I didn't build my shortblock, doesn't mean I paid either.

I still find it ironic, that everyone must build everything in your eyes, yet you buy an On3 turbo kit... Kinda hypocritical isn't it? Even worse when you do spend money, you buy garbage.

Here's an idea, leave me out of your posts and i'll leave you out of mine.
Something I already do, so it won't be all that tough for me.


Umm, That's not even remotely close to what I was referencing. I'm not sure where you got that.. Sounds like you have some pent up frustration there, pal. Thanks for the kind words, though.
 
Umm, That's not even remotely close to what I was referencing. I'm not sure where you got that.. Sounds like you have some pent up frustration there, pal. Thanks for the kind words, though.
When I read your comment about building engines I was thinking about the exact same conversation that @2000xp8 referred to. I took it as a dig on him too.
 
The quote I made was from someone who stated it several years ago. I wouldn't know where to find it, but I quoted it verbatim. I remember it because it was so absurd. I owe no one here any proof of anything or apology. That is all.
 
No kidding, this is out in ridiculousness, dont get the anger about getting quality work done outside at all - time/money its one or the other....
 
No kidding, this is out in ridiculousness, dont get the anger about getting quality work done outside at all - time/money its one or the other....

The only anger I've seen was directed at me. (WTF?) It's funny how opinions are allowed one way, but not the other. And I'm a hipocrite? Seriously? I think someone owes somebody an apology... and here's a hint: it ain't me. :O_o:
 
dont get the anger about getting quality work done outside at all - time/money its one or the other....
Exactly.
When I was younger, I had the time and virtually no money, now, have have virtually no time, but a little money.
My time is worth more to me than what I pay a shop, and, I no longer enjoy spending the weekend in the garage.
 
I have one final statement on the issue since this seems to be quickly spiraling downward. I come here for two reasons: entertainment and to learn, respectively.

Neither of those reasons are fulfilled by butt hurt people slinging doo-doo.

There's know-it-alls here and people with genuine experience who can properly direct you on the best course of action. Learning those differences is paramount here for getting your money's worth.

All that said, if I need to explain how to use the ignore button again, I'd be happy to do so. It blocks posts of people you don't see eye to eye with and can greatly improve your viewing pleasure, and maybe a few others too.

Either that or the masses ban you to the corral, for those of you who are picking up what I'm putting down *cough*90lxwhite*cough*
 
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I have one final statement on the issue since this seems to be quickly spiraling downward. I come here for two reasons: entertainment and to learn, respectively.

Neither of those reasons are fulfilled by butt hurt people slinging doo-doo.

There's know-it-alls here and people with genuine experience who can properly direct you on the best course of action. Learning those differences is paramount here for getting your money's worth.

All that said, if I need to explain how to use the ignore button again, I'd be happy to do so. It blocks posts of people you don't see eye to eye with and can greatly improve your viewing pleasure, and maybe a few others too.

Either that or the masses ban you to the corral, for those of you who are picking up what I'm putting down *cough*90lxwhite*cough*
Oh yes . It just used to get out of hand with him


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GEEEZZ!!!:nonono:

The original intent of this thread was to try and justify to you guys an administrative decision to separate two different versions of the same thing.
(You know... Kinda how Ford separates an LX from a GT)
Like it or not, I side with the "it's not a build thread if you aren't the one doing the work".
It's progress.
Whether or not you are capable of doing the work, or pressed for time, don't have the facilities, or just don't feel like it, if you want to share your project w/ the community it goes into that category (progress) automatically.

This whole thing came about as a result of a sidebar that I had w/ Noobz long before I was even made a mod here. W/o calling anybody out, and granted it doesn't happen often, There was a thread where the individual posting pics and commenting in his "build" thread kept using "we" and "us" despite the fact that every pic was of his "guy" doing the work. Whether or not you consider this taking credit for stuff that only your check book can claim, there are members here that do.
Think of it like a pro ball game:........Just because you paid for a ticket does not make you a member of the team.

Despite that fact, and in the interest of being fair to both frames of thought......Again, I'll break it down for you:

Simply put, a build thread is a DIY opportunity for a reader to see "how it was done" by a regular guy. It's how we learn to do things, it's how the "builder" solicits opinions, and feedback, questions asked by readers can be answered directly and in turn the builder can benefit from the advice and comments just as directly. I'd have to think would instill huge pride of accomplishment in the builder knowing that he did it.

Not to be confused from pride of ownership, and again, definitely encouraged at the same time, If you want to share the progress of your project that you have sourced out to a shop by all means post it. For whatever reason you chose to source the work of a car out, is irrelevant. But that thread is gonna stay as a progress thread.
My take on this is the work done by that shop (any shop) teaches nobody nothing. I can't say that I've ever taken anything away from a battery of pics of a backhalf in progress at a chassis shop, or a car in primer going through the steps towards paint. People looking at the thread are still gonna comment and give feedback, encouragement and questions will still be asked, just the same.


Some have said that all threads could be considered build threads if the criteria for labeling it as such is simply DIY content and I agree to some extent.
Some have said that most threads combine both DIY stuff, and shop serviced stuff at the same time. I agree again.
Additionally, some have also questioned who would be in charge of setting that distinction.

So, to answer those comments this is how I've decided to do it.

All threads will be born progress threads. If the progress thread goes off the deep end as it moves along, and is just slathered in all kinds of unique, high quality work and DIY learning kinda stuff, then it'll garner the separate distinction of a build thread by one of the staff.

Think of a build thread as the forum's "Featured Progress Threads"
or if you will:
The GT 500 KR of progress threads.

Trophies for us to put in a trophy case.

Now,.....stop all of the mud slinging,......it'd be a shame if I have to lock my own thread.:zipit:
 
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A thread about Doritos Locos tacos that someone else makes for me would be a progress thread? And a thread about the tacos I make at home myself would be a build thread? Am I getting this right? ;)
 
The long and short if it (I didn't bother weeding through the sea of butt hurtedness) is that nobody needs to make this decision that's not on staff. LOL

The progress tag is member select. If someone on staff decides to make it a build thread then that will happen.

There's really no reason for everyone to sit here and split hairs for the sake of argument. There's certainly no reason for everyone to try and create rules for what is or what isn't.

Consider BUILD threads a sort of 'featured thread' selected by staff since they are the only ones that apply the tag. :D
 
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For God's sakes who cares! I can guarantee that I can always take something away from every progress thread that I can apply or learned from. Anyone can differentiate of who is doing the work and to what degree. It is having the insight to build something that is truly your's. I was just texting last night about my car and said im a proud parent. I had the drive and money to build it how I wanted it to be. And that what I like about these build/progress thread everyone is different!

********* alcohol may have influnced the above response*********
 
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