RANT!!! Tonight's New Peeve

[CarMichael Angelo]

Welding.

Not necessarily here, but I see it often enough.

Do you know how easy it is to use a wire welder? Competently?

It goes like this:

Give a toddler access to a Miller/Hobart/Lincoln 175a wire welder, and make a tiny little welding helmet, and the progression of little Tommy's skills go from crawling, to walking, to being able to weld the nuclear reactor in the next Virginia Class submarine.

Every time I see some god awful pics of a wire weld that dude submits a pic of with the excuse "my welding ain't that great" , I think What?....Do you have Parkinsons, or Alzheimers?

How FREAKIN HARD is it to steady the gun with one hand, while you either move your other hand in a little circle, or back and forth while pulling a trigger? I hope to Christ that you don't own an actual HAND GUN, because you certainly wont be able to hit the side of a barn, much less a bad guy.

I tell ya, I see one more example of some bird dooger looking weld sitting on top of what it was supposed to weld together, and I'm visiting that guy in person and staying there long enough to build a cage using his welder, and weld that thing inside so that he can no longer use it.

Goobers.........Why I outta....

 

[Boosted92LX]

Welding.

Not necessarily here, but I see it often enough.

Do you know how easy it is to use a wire welder? Competently?

It goes like this:

Give a toddler access to a Miller/Hobart/Lincoln 175a wire welder, and make a tiny little welding helmet, and the progression of little Tommy's skills go from crawling, to walking, to being able to weld the nuclear reactor in the next Virginia Class submarine.

Every time I see some god awful pics of a wire weld that dude submits a pic of with the excuse "my welding ain't that great" , I think What?....Do you have Parkinsons, or Alzheimers?

How FREAKIN HARD is it to steady the gun with one hand, while you either move your other hand in a little circle, or back and forth while pulling a trigger? I hope to Christ that you don't own an actual HAND GUN, because you certainly wont be able to hit the side of a barn, much less a bad guy.

I tell ya, I see one more example of some bird dooger looking weld sitting on top of what it was supposed to weld together, and I'm visiting that guy in person and staying there long enough to build a cage using his welder, and weld that thing inside so that he can no longer use it.

Goobers.........Why I outta....

I guess it's easy to have that outlook when you've been welding for 30 years, but consider this: A lot of people that come through here are NOT bilingual, and can't even properly use the only language they know... And you expect pretty welds?



I mean, i know on occasion I'll misspell something or use improper punctuation, but dang.. The stuff I've seen!

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

I guess it's easy to have that outlook when you've been welding for 30 years, but consider this: A lot of people that come through here are NOT bilingual, and can't even properly use the only language they know... And you expect pretty welds?



I mean, i know on occasion I'll misspell something or use improper punctuation, but dang.. The stuff I've seen!

Firstly I may have been welding for 25 years, but I'm 57. 25yrs.+1 day in the past, I had never used one myself. (Which made me 32) it took less than a couple of days usage to get decent enough to build my first roll cage with it. I had 0 experience with the TIG that I bought last year. The guy I'm talking about had that welder for years before, and he still can't weld. I'm not even dogging the aesthetics of the thing. You can look at it and know that it would probably break just sitting, much less putting the weld into service.

I'm not criticizing some attempt at patching in sheetmetal ( which is a problem for even the most seasoned of welders), I'm talking about 1/8" plate.
Last night was the break point for me. Guy on another forum is modifying his K MEMBER and can't weld to save his ass. He states that, and that he intends to take the thing and have it professionally welded after he just covers it up w/ terrible quality welds.

Hmm.....How much more work is it gonna be to adequately weld a joint that is now covered over w/a bad, non penetrated weld? Wouldn't it have just made more sense to either:
A. Practice until you master the thing, using Google, or You tube as your teacher?
B. Take the thing and have it pro welded after just tacking the pieces in place?C. Buy an aftermarket k member, and sell the welder to offset the cost?

I guess that would kinda go hand in hand with what you're talking about. When you won't even take the time to either press a button to check your spelling, or enable it in your browser because you just don't care what people think of you, why in the hell would you care what a weld looks like?

Welding isn't an "art". Anybody can do it, and do it competently. It does take two things though:
Practice. Time is the only thing that teaches technique.
Work ethic. You gotta care what it looks like/ how good of a bond you just made.

 

[A5literMan]

I booger weld...that's why I leave it to my betters. We weld at work almost daily and I have access to some very good welders and can usually get them to weld for me(usually only costs some beers lol).

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

@madmike1157

I know you're kind of a smart guy but to imply that welding is as easy as pointing and shooting is absolutely false. There is a lot more to it than that but I think you're just trying to be funny and beat up on some tards.

Poor welds from inexperienced welders are not typically because they don't know how to point the gun at a piece of metal and push or drag it along. I think poor welds happen because they don't know where to put the ground and they don't know how to adjust the welder settings properly (heat, speed, flowmeter for gas). Did they grind clean the surface to be welded well? Heck even the polarity could be backwards. Also they probably have the wrong diameter wire. Technique is the easiest part of welding, just do some e's!!!

 

[a91what]

Meehhh. With a half hours practice I made my bracket and inlet/outlet hats for my SC build. With a aluminum mig, and converted a buzz box to tig with. So I get what your saying. I completed my stuff in two nights with no practice beforehand, some guys just can't get it.

 

[Noobz347]

I can't figure out why Taco Bell and Chipotle think that white rice belongs on a freaking burrito.

There aren't even any Chinese food restaurants in Mexico that I'm aware of.


Oh... Welding. Yeah. Know what steel you're working with or guess fairly well. Lookup on the internet what wire to use. Go.

That's my method. Nothing has fallen apart yet.

 

[Mintsick]

What? Why does that even matter to you what other peoples welds look like?

 

[Noobz347]

Why does it matter why it matters?

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

Why does it matter why it matters?

Because tacos

 

[Noobz347]

With or without rice?

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

With or without rice?

Without!!!

 

[Noobz347]

Ah... Then it all makes sense.

 

[a91what]

You mean to tell me that saffron was too expensive to boil with the rice!!! Add a little sazon and boom Spanish rice.

 

[elarm1]

Taco bell gives me the machine gun chits

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

What? Why does that even matter to you what other peoples welds look like?

So then,....your "peeve" is that I get peeved at people who can't weld?

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

The word "peeve" and the use of it here reminds me of the lingo that jr. high girls used back in the day.

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

Taco bell gives me the machine gun chits

Upgrade to Del Taco bro!

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

The word "peeve" and the use of it here reminds me of the lingo that jr. high girls used back in the day.

The Jr High girls that were back in my day didn't use peeve,...so I'm all good.
To your point about welding being more than I make it into I disagree.

There is a chart on any welder w/ recommendations for heat and wire speed, and setting gas flow for most is a set it once kinda thing for most welds ranging from 1/16-1/4" which falls into just about everything that you can do to a car.

As far as cleaning the steel,...again, how hard is that? Does that exceed the capabilities of anybody here you know?
The only case where a welder wouldn't make a decent weld would be if the polarity was backwards, and once again, it's on the little chart.

So IMO it all boils down to reading then? Cause if somebody did that at least, the only thing standing in the way of getting a decent weld after that is pointing the gun, holding it at a set distance, and making a zig zag, or a bunch of little circles.

 

[MustangIIMatt]

How FREAKIN HARD is it to steady the gun with one hand, while you either move your other hand in a little circle, or back and forth while pulling a trigger? I hope to Christ that you don't own an actual HAND GUN, because you certainly wont be able to hit the side of a barn, much less a bad guy.

I can't weld for , I've tried and suck at it badly. However, I can draw you a smiley face on the target with my S&W 22a or my Ruger SR9c from 20 yards.

Totally different skill set, just sayin.