SN95 Need Some Advice Regarding Switching Back To 87 Octane

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Car is a '95 Cobra. Stock engine. Long story short, I have one of the infamous switch chips with (I think?) a Bama 93 octane mail order tune. Primary reason I bought the chip (besides "better throttle response") was to eliminate the CEL for EGR as it's currently deleted. Well, the CEL started to come on consistently again about two years ago. I pulled codes and was only receiving one, for EGR.

I'm only getting around to this now because I lived in Germany for four years and didn't have the resources to really work out any issues with the car. Now that I'm back in the states and don't have to wait at least two weeks to get parts, I've decided to work on getting this car back to like-new condition.

I decided while charging up the air conditioning a few weeks ago to quit using the 93 octane tune and switch back to the stock tune using the switch; I honestly didn't notice any difference in performance other than it idles lower on the stock tune (idled at 1000rpm on the old tune).

I've been running the 93 octane tune for about six years or so. Is it perfectly fine to go back to 87 octane after all that time? I've never really read up much on octane ratings, and remember being told as a wee lad that you shouldn't go to a lower octane rating if you've been running at a higher rating. I can't find anything on the internet that would confirm this. In fact, I can't really find any information as searching for info regarding switching octane ratings only nets results for going to a higher rated fuel.

Besides just my concern about the fuel rating, I've also noticed in the time since I've switched back to the stock tune that I can hear a bit of a knock coming from the engine when it's warmed up at idle. It sounds very similar to the knock you'd hear from a diesel, albeit much more low key. The engine is all stock and has around 130,000 miles (not sure of actual mileage as the odometer gear gave up the ghost a few weeks ago).

While there were stretches where I didn't drive the car for a while in Germany, I never neglected it. I still changed the oil every three months or 3,000 miles. I can't remember where the timing is set, so I'll need to check that.

I'm sure these are very simple questions, but I haven't really messed with this car in a while and I'm just drawing a blank. Any help will be appreciated.
 
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I will ignore the diesel knock for now. The main thing that a chip will change for octane is the ignition timing. If you set the base timing back to stock and it goes back to the stock curve, I have seen nothing that essays the 87 octane should be an issue. If it rattles/pings under lower rpm load, up the octane, reduce timing and make sure the heat rating is not hotter than stock.
 
Wait....You can hear a knock at idle? Sitting here thinking about it,...doesn't that knock tun into a full rattle under load?

I'm just gonna say it. I simply didn't think that possible. (that you are experiencing pre-ignition while sitting un-loaded)
Could your "knock" be something not related to ignition/octane, and be more of a rod/bearing/skirt noise instead?

Just thinking here.
 
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I will ignore the diesel knock for now. The main thing that a chip will change for octane is the ignition timing. If you set the base timing back to stock and it goes back to the stock curve, I have seen nothing that essays the 87 octane should be an issue. If it rattles/pings under lower rpm load, up the octane, reduce timing and make sure the heat rating is not hotter than stock.
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Wait....You can hear a knock at idle? Sitting here thinking about it,...doesn't that knock tun into a full rattle under load?

I'm just gonna say it. I simply didn't think that possible. (that you are experiencing pre-ignition while sitting un-loaded)
Could your "knock" be something not related to ignition/octane, and be more of a rod/bearing/skirt noise instead?

Just thinking here.
I had a feeling that the noise wasn't related to preignition, but I was hoping it was. Just needed a second opinion.
 
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I had a feeling that the noise wasn't related to preignition, but I was hoping it was. Just needed a second opinion.
Well, here is where I fall short of being one to go to for that. I've never had an engine that:

A. pinged.
B. had a bad bearing/skirt/pin, where I could hear it.( Most of the time I was either just rebuilding that from the jump, or blowing it up as a result)
The "knock" I've always had after a warmed up engine was that of a forged piston skirt clearance, and it's absolutely normal.. Unless you have forged pistons though, I'm thinking that isn't what you're hearing.
 
You spent some time fixing jet aircraft, then you are probably familiar with SOAP - Spectrometric Oil Analysis Program. It analyzes oil for metal and other contaminants and tells you what is going on inside your engine. See https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=spectrometric+oil+analysis+program+automotive

For $28 you can get a test kit and an analysis See http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php

You can spend $28 and get a real picture of why you might be having odd noises and how serious it might be - for less that the cost of a 93 octane fill-up at the gas station.
 
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Well, I decided to shoot a short video of the sound. I realized while filming that the sound seemed to be coming from the general direction of the A/C compressor, so I turned on the A/C and the noise went away. I usually drive to work in the morning with the A/C off and the windows down, which may explain why I haven't really been able to hear it when driving home in the afternoon with the A/C on.

Perhaps there is nothing wrong with the engine after all. This made me happy.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV6K706U5Sw
 
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Well, I decided to shoot a short video of the sound. I realized while filming that the sound seemed to be coming from the general direction of the A/C compressor, so I turned on the A/C and the noise went away. I usually drive to work in the morning with the A/C off and the windows down, which may explain why I haven't really been able to hear it when driving home in the afternoon with the A/C on.

Perhaps there is nothing wrong with the engine after all. This made me happy.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV6K706U5Sw


now.............maybe it's just me......... but you are pointing the camera at the PS pump not the AC compressor which is where?
 
now.............maybe it's just me......... but you are pointing the camera at the PS pump not the AC compressor which is where?
I thought I was pointing it at the compressor when I was filming, but I guess not. The compressor on '94-'95 cars is below the power steering; it's backwards compared to a fox. You can see it earlier in the video.