Fox Horsepower

mpeach1976

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I have always wondered why did the Fox lose power on 1993? As far as I can tell from '90 - '92 fox body's had 225 HP and then in '93 it dropped to 205 HP. Did they switch from a Windsor style 5.0 to a modular style 5.0 that year compromising HP?
 
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Plus culmination of minor changes over the years. Addition of MAF in 89, different can profile to quiet drivetrain in 90. Different cats in the later years, new ecu in 1993 plus the way they rated them changed too.


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@mikestang63 you said that they changed the way they rated horsepower, but what does that mean? 93 Ford Mustang went through a couple changes, that was the first year they did SVT and they were getting ready to change over to the fourth generation. That said: did they change the Windsor style 302 to a modular style 302 losing horsepower?
 
No mod motors till 96, there was a stink with a foreign car maker about the way they made their hp ratings. I can't remember for sure what it was but the manufacturers made some kind of agreement on standards for hp ratings. Never read anything different about cams but the was a piston change but I thought that was earlier, but then I was wrong once before but it had somethong to do with beer.
 
Never read anything different about cams but the was a piston change but I thought that was earlier

That's because nobody cares about stock camshafts anymore with so many better aftermarket choices so just not owrth discussing.

The OE cam changed a few times over the years. Don't have specs, but only very minor changes. Also the pistons changed in late 1992 to hypereutectic.

The main reason is just the way the power was rated. Keep in mind 1993 Cobra was rated at 235HP from the factory. Many guys who have dynoed their cobras, and guys building similar GT40 head setups, report thar number being closer to 275HP at the crank.
 
You're trying to over complicate it. Ford re-rated the same motor to a different HP standard. There was no change in actual power.
 
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^^this.
The cam stayed the same from 92 to 93. (only the cobra got a different cam profile, LX's and GT's were same as '92).
Computers stayed the same from 92 to 93. (only the cobra got a different programming due to GT40 heads/intake, different cam, injectors/mass air and throttle body)
Hyper pistons were introduced late '92 as mentioned, but compression was unchanged, and while everyone likes to poo on the hyper pistons, they are more stable and able to run tighter tolerances, so, in theory, n/a they should be better... albeit not as tolerant to bad tuning while running artificial air.
 
The 86'-88' stock 5.0 cam was the E5ZE cam (85' 5.0 4v carb motors had them also). It has .266 intake/ .266 exhaust lobe duration compared to the .276 int./.266 ex. lobe duration of the 89'-95' 5.0 cams. Ford actually decreased the ramp rate of the maf 5.0 HO cams. I guess that is why they increased the duration on the intake side to try to make up for the slower-opening valve. Overall, the early EFI speed density (late carb) cam was the most aggressive stock HO cam. The cobra 5.0 cam has more duration and lift, but it is actually considered a "milder" cam due to other specs based on information I've read online. Not sure if that is true though. Ford believed that they lost some low-range torque by switching to the gt40 top end. So they slapped in a thunderbird 5.0 HO cam (more torquey) with 1.7 roller rockers. The 93' 5.0 HO computers were also not as aggressive tune-wise. The 89'-92' A9L computers were the most aggressive 5-speed computers, while the 89'-92' A9P were the most aggressive automatic computers. Out of all the them, the A9P is the most aggressive (better fuel/timing curve). I actually switched out the stock C3W auto computer for an A9P in my old 93' mustang, and noticed the idle was smoother and had better low-end acceleration. The main reason for the 93' hp 205 hp rating was the way they measured the power. For that year they added up all of the minor changes they did over the years, such as small cam profile changes as I've mentioned, the puny 55mm mass air sensor, and they had included all of the belt-driven accessories, unlike the previous years. The hypereutectic pistons really don't affect anything performance wise. If anything, it adds a bit more power since they weigh less than the older forged pistons (less rotational mass). They just suck for people that want to use nitrous or forced induction. Other than the ECU (computer) and the material that the pistons were made from, the 93' 5.0 HO motor is the same animal as the 89'-92' motors.
 
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The 86'-88' stock 5.0 cam was the E5ZE cam (85' 5.0 4v carb motors had them also). It has .266 intake/ .266 exhaust lobe lift compared to the .276 int./.266 ex. lobe lift of the 89'-95' 5.0 cams. Ford actually decreased the ramp rate of the maf 5.0 HO cams. I guess that is why they increased the lift on the intake side to try to make up for the slower-opening valve. Overall, the early EFI speed density (late carb) cam was the most aggressive stock HO cam. The cobra 5.0 cam has more lift, but it is actually considered a "milder" cam due to other specs. Ford believed that they lost some low-range torque by switching to the gt40 top end. So they slapped in a thunderbird 5.0 HO cam (more torquey) with 1.7 roller rockers. The 93' 5.0 HO computers were also not as aggressive tune-wise. The 89'-92' A9L computers were the most aggressive 5-speed computers, while the 89'-92' A9P were the most aggressive automatic computers. Out of all the them, the A9P is the most aggressive (better fuel/timing curve). I actually switched out the stock C3W auto computer for an A9P in my old 93' mustang, and noticed the idle was smoother and had better low-end acceleration. The main reason for the 93' hp 205 hp rating was the way they measured the power. For that year they added up all of the minor changes they did over the years, such as small cam profile changes as I've mentioned, the puny 55mm mass air sensor, and they had included all of the belt-driven accessories, unlike the previous years. The hypereutectic pistons really don't affect anything performance wise. If anything, it adds a bit more power since they weigh less than the older forged pistons (less rotational mass). They just suck for people that want to use nitrous or forced induction. Other than the ECU (computer) and the material that the pistons were made from, the 93' 5.0 HO motor is the same animal as the 89'-92' motors.
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Soooo, what would be the best stock cam on say my 89 gt 5 speed 355 gear long tubes 70 mm tb c&l mass air and pipe 19 pounders and gt40p gt40 tubular intake. I believe my engine is from a 86 though.
Orrrrr, will it not make a noticeable difference.
 
Soooo, what would be the best stock cam on say my 89 gt 5 speed 355 gear long tubes 70 mm tb c&l mass air and pipe 19 pounders and gt40p gt40 tubular intake. I believe my engine is from a 86 though.
Orrrrr, will it not make a noticeable difference.

An 86' 5.0 engine? In that case, be careful with the flat-top pistons. Your only option is to keep the stock 5.0 HO cam if you are still running the stock 86' pistons. At least you have the more aggressive 5.0 HO cam. (85' 4v carb, 86'- 88' EFI HO cam).