1988 Starts hard, occasional miss, low hp

[Metal Roof]

Please forgive me for being a newbie. I have an '88 5.0 that I just got out of storage after 8 years. 90,000 miles. I have had oil change, injectors cleaned, new plugs, wires, solenoid, distributor, coil and it is still doing the same thing it did before I stored it 8 years ago. It is starting very hard, runs real rough for a few seconds after it does start on the 2nd or 3rd try, backfires a little ... but then runs decent except for sometimes a slight occasional miss at idle. However, the hp just isn't where it should be either.

Any thoughts on what to check next?

This may sound odd but it has all original exhaust. Any chance that this could be caused by back pressure from the exhaust?

I have been thinking about Seafoaming it but still feel like that won't resolve the issue.

Thanks in advance for any ideas you may have.

 

[jrichker]

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 19-May-2009 to update drawing for dumping the codes on 86-88 Mustangs with no check engine light.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical

If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.

 

[5.0kroh]

did you double check timing

sounds like the timing is off.
does it idle at a low rpm after it is running and does it surge.

 

[TenorPlayinGuy]

There are two things in my experience that cause the symptoms your having. Both Timing, and Vacuum

The firing order for our lovely H.O.'s is 1,3,7,2,6,5,4,8 That is going counter clockwise on the distributor cap. And if the timing is too low or for that matter too high, it will buck, and (if it's too advanced you could be detonating early... bad for engine parts)

You should be pulling between 15"-18" of vacuum at idle, and between 19-21" at cruise...if I remember correctly. Check for leaks. Then report back. As for backpressure from the stock exhaust system... unless your O.E. cats have golfballs stuffed in there... it's not enough backpressure to stop the engine. Chances are it's a simple fix, like the timing or a vacuum leak.

 

[Metal Roof]

Thanks all. Good things to check.