AP says Obama promises ignore budget realities

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  1. caballo I'm the bastard love child of a threesome gone awr

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    What say you, Obama supporters?
  2. GT40XStang9 Thanks to Tim, I get off pretty easy.

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    Are the Obama supporters okay with the government having control/access to medical records?

    How does this sit with the anti-Bush crowd that doesn't like the "phone snooping"?
  3. Therian The Highlander

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    Beyond the war in Iraq? The war in Iraq is a monolithic giant compared to any other area where spending could be cut...
  4. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    The Medical records thing has been coming down the pipeline for a while. I'm fine with them creating some secure national health records database. I am not fine with the government monitoring my communications without a court order.
  5. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    It is what I thought all along.

    Honestly all of y'all scared that the government is going to do some kind of public health care are silly if you think either candidate's plan will make it through congress unchanged.

    I'd prefer that they first fix social security before they moved into improving the health care system. It's going to cost a lot for us to cover everyone in the US, at least at first, so considering the current budget and economy I can wait for that.
  6. rbohm Founding Member

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    yeah, the old $10 billion a month being spent in iraq. you do realize that about 65-70% of that money would be spent anyway to support the troops? even if there was no war in iraq?
  7. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    If we weren't in Iraq the money could be redirected to the VA so that they can better serve the people who put their butts on the line for their country.
  8. caballo I'm the bastard love child of a threesome gone awr

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    I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Care to restate?
  9. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    ??

    What do you think I said?

    I would like to see better care for vets, that means I'd like to see more money going into the VA's budget so that they can provide better care to vets. The people who put their butts on the line for America.

    Got me?
  10. caballo I'm the bastard love child of a threesome gone awr

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    What better care can we provide than to provide care for those defending our country NOW?

    You worded it poorly, IMO. I see your point, but I feel it's more important to care for active personnel IF we had to choose.
  11. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    I'd like to see better care for both active and nonactive duty military personal. Better equipment, housing, benefits, pay, etc...

    And more time away from the fronts.
  12. caballo I'm the bastard love child of a threesome gone awr

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    I agree 100%. But forced to choose, I'd choose to care for active personnel first.
  13. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    That's fine, but I'd argue they would be better cared for if we weren't stuck in Iraq.
  14. rbohm Founding Member

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    we are not as stuck in iraq as you might think, 13 of 18 provinces have been returned to iraqi control, and the rest are scheduled to be returned in the next year. and there is the little deal about the agreement that is now being negotiated with the iraqi government that would allow US forces to be drawn down in the next three years to help the iraqs sercure their country for themselves. if youhavent heard this, then you need to start listening to something other then the communist news network.
  15. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    Aren't we stuck? I mean our current president refuses to set "time tables" for withdrawal. The jist I get from the current admin and from you stangnet hardliners is that the terrorists win if we leave Iraq.

    Yes I know about the agreement with the Iraq for future US troop deployments\withdrawals there. I know that Iraq seems to be stalling till the election is over.
  16. caballo I'm the bastard love child of a threesome gone awr

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    I'm startin' a club!!!!
  17. rbohm Founding Member

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    dont forget that the UN authority for the US to be in iraq ends this year on dec 31. and al qeada is already eyeing iraq as being central to the expansion of their organization. why? because unless this agreement goes through, they will be able to walk in and fill a power vacuum that will exist. there are still enough problems in iraq to make that happen fairly easily. and if the agreement is accepted, then there will be a timetable for drawing down US troop levels, and eventually the US military leaving iraq. again dont buy the liberal kool-aide.
  18. Therian The Highlander

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    Anything to back that up?

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