Are both candidates really this dumb?

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  1. Ike83 New Member

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    Am I hearing this right? I could've sworn I just heard on "The Factor" that BOTH candidates decided to run an ad campaign attacking the other one in SPANISH?! :eek:

    And BOTH of them chose to falsely accuse the other of events that didn't even occur in the first place? What a new low for politicians. I wish Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson was running. :nonono:
  2. CENTENNIALSTANG New Member

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    Both canidates suck, neither can fix anything.
  3. rbohm Founding Member

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    i havent heard anything about a spanish language mccain ad, but the one obama is running is very likely to hurt him badly if he doesnt pull it and make appologies for running it. the problem with obamas attack ad is that it is patently false and rush limbaugh can prove it, in court of needed.
  4. DBMSTNG I fantasize about it being BIG!

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    politics in the U.S. isn't about who can prove they are the best candidate, it's about convincing people who the worse candidate is.
  5. Ike83 New Member

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    Now don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure Mccain answered with a Spanish ad claiming Obama didn't support the Mccain/Kennedy immigration bill, which would have given employers the right to hire illegal immigrants temporarily in order to fill jobs that U.S. workers wouldn't accept. The illegal immigrants would pay a $1,500 fine in order to stay and work in the U.S., which is simply another way of granting them amnesty so-to-speak. The bill outraged hardcore conservative Republicans, and was yet another sign of Mccain's liberal position towards illegal immigration (he's always been weak on securing the borders).

    Anyway, Mccain (in his Spanish attack ad) accused Obama of NOT supporting this bill, which was FALSE. Obama DID support this bill, which means that Mccain lied (just like Obama did). So I'm kind of confused. Since when have two wrongs made a right? :shrug:

    I just don't get it. BOTH Mccain AND Obama find it unnecessary to secure the borders, so WHY are they attacking each other on it? It just doesn't make any sense. :nonono:
  6. rbohm Founding Member

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    mccain may have said that obama didnt support the bill, but obama slandered limbaugh in his ad, thus committing a civil offense that if limbaugh decides to take obama to court over it, it will hurt obamas campaign severely.

    i also agree that both of these guys need to support securing our borders though.
  7. Ike83 New Member

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    I agree that Obama's was worse...but the whole idea of campaigning in Spanish in an effort to sway the "illegal-immigrant" vote (if there even IS such a thing) is absolutely ridiculous to begin with.
  8. grey5.0beast Cookies should never be DUNKED!!!

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    :stupid: When the **** did we start caring what the [illegal] mexicans thought?
  9. Wart I'm Mad as HELL and I'M not Gonna Take it ANYMORE!

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    Am I the only one who thinks Limpaugh suing ANYONE for slander is numerous?

    Anyone but a DittoHead but, as the name indicates, they don't think anyhow. :rlaugh:

    Dishing dirt on Limpaugh isn't going to hurt Obama, may even help him.


    It's a nice thought and if there was a way to secure the boarders I would be all for it.

    Like I said in a previous thread, Millions to build a wall, thousands to circumvent it.

    Far as illegal immigrants, if you don't want them here the vacuum that draws them here has to be reduced or eliminated. Meaning real penalties for those employing the illegals, but that's not going to happen.

    Will it?
  10. EMW150 Founding Member

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    I'm sure most of you have heard about this, but for those who haven't:

    Whites will comprise less than half of the U.S. population by 2042, about eight years earlier than previously thought, according to a report to be released by the Census Bureau.
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    The transition, long predicted by demographers, will spell big changes for the nation's schools and work force. Over the next four decades the non-Hispanic white population will get older, eventually going into decline between 2030 and 2040. Minorities will become a majority of the population aged zero to 17 years first -- in about 15 years -- and move up through age groups for there.
    "We are going to become more diverse in more parts of the country and in more of the age structure sooner," said William Frey, senior demographer at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank.
    The decline is driven by a combination of immigration and lower birthrates. The baby-boom generation, all of which will be more than 65 by about 2030, had fewer children than their parents, and their children are following their lead. The Asian population will continue to increase thanks to immigration and higher birthrates, and the non-Hispanic black population mostly because of higher birthrates. In 2050 the share of the black population will have increased by one percentage point to 15%; Asians will rise to about 9% from 5% today. There is also a growing mixed-race population who identify themselves as two or more races on Census forms.
    But it is the Hispanic population that is driving minority growth. The total U.S. population is projected to grow to 439 million by 2050, and most of that growth will come from Hispanics. By 2050 about one in three U.S. residents will be Hispanic. While immigration continues to be a driver of the growing Hispanic population, for the past several years most of the growth has come from births.
    "Even with the high levels of immigration, a higher proportion of Hispanics will be U.S.-born," said Jeffrey Passel, senior demographer with the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington.
    The shift could stratify American politics. The growing share of retired white baby boomers are more likely to be concerned about issues like pensions and health care for themselves and their parents. The growing share of minorities will be concerned about issues like education and job growth. "You always get that generational shift, but now there's a racial layer over it," says Mr. Passel.
    The first group to tip will be children. According to an analysis of census data by Mr. Frey, the zero to 4-year-old population will turn "majority minority" in 2021, followed by 18- to 29-year-olds seven years later. Adults between 45 and 64 will become majority minority in 2050, and seniors sometime after.
    That means that as whites retire they will increasingly see the jobs they left go to minorities -- in particular Hispanics -- now making their way through the school system. The report "places even greater emphasis on the need to train new Americans and their children" to assume these occupations, says Mr. Frey.
    A number of metropolitan areas have already become "majority minority," with many more soon to follow. In Los Angeles, which has long been a gateway for Hispanics, non-Hispanic whites account for about 30% of the population. According to Mr. Frey's projections the counties surrounding Denver, Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla., will all see their non-Hispanic white population fall to 50% or lower in the next two years.
    Shifting demographics may change everything from local and national elections to bilingual education and the rationale behind affirmative-action plans. Already, fast-growing states in the Sunbelt and West are seeing signs that shifting demographics could alter state politics. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, is campaigning hard in Nevada and Colorado -- two states that were carried by President Bush in 2004 but have grown more Democratic as the states have added more young and minority voters.

    source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121867492705539109.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
  11. CENTENNIALSTANG New Member

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    Sweet so now im a minority where is my handout, i want free college now and scholorships and grants due to my race alone :rolleyes:
  12. Ike83 New Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
  13. Ike83 New Member

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    I guess when they started comprising about 30% of the prison population in California? I don't know. :shrug:

    How does this work anyway? I thought illegal immigrants can't vote...obviously. But then I also thought I heard a long time ago that there's a way that some of them CAN vote. :scratch:

    Has anyone heard anything about this before?
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    Yeah cause I plan on coming home and having some half Thai/American kids.
  15. Ike83 New Member

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    EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! :eek:

    AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

    :leaving:

























    j/k :D
  16. BlackArtemis Founding Member

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    actually they will be 50% American(50/50 Irish German, I've got red hair) 37.5% Thai and 12.5% Chinese.

    Should be an interesting mix.
  17. jikelly Well-Known Member

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    It's so you'll have something to talk about.

    Us American's are more interested in fighting than we are in the real issues. Personally I'd rather they highlight their plans for the various programs than highlight each others real or made up flaws.

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