Bigger V8 from Ford

Discussion in '2005 - 2009 Specific Tech' started by Z28x, May 28, 2004.


  1. foghorn67

    foghorn67 I'll save you the time and choke myself Founding Member

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    i'm lost as well. The 4.6L blocks are even wider then the 429/460 big blocks.
    How is my 289 that wide in somebody's reality?
     
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  2. SVTdriver

    SVTdriver Founding Member

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    Not that I am trying to start a debate or anything. But where are people finding the dimensions of the blocks? I have looked and can't find the information. I can find the overall motor dimensions, but not the block. And it would be handy for any engine swap ideas.
     
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  3. foghorn67

    foghorn67 I'll save you the time and choke myself Founding Member

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    FRPP catalog.
     
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  4. SVTdriver

    SVTdriver Founding Member

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    Is that the new one. I have the 2003 and they don't list block size.
     
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    Yellow99Saleen New Member

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    Hey platinum, thanks for the clarification, i wasnt trying to be an ass, your comments just seemed a little like a mustang hater. But i see what you mean.
     
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  6. Z28x

    Z28x New Member

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    The Mustang has always had relatively big power and a big engine compared to every other non F-body coupe on the road. Even today in 2004 the Mustang is the king of sub $30K performance cars with its 310HP 4.6L V8. Compare that to the closest sub $30K performance car the Evo with its 271HP turbo 2.0L engine, or a 240HP 3.8L V8 Monte Carlo SS.

    Hemi Mustang..hmmmm...... that would be a fun project car, but If I'm going to put a non-Ford ening in a Mustang it is going to be the LS2

    Thank You
     
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  7. mustang sallad

    mustang sallad New Member

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    hey does anybody else get a kick out of the number specifically?

    i heard some guy saying 4.6 just doest sound right. i like some numbers better than others. for instance, i like 6, 5, and 8, i think those are some good numbers. 2's pretty good too
    so i think 6.2 sounds pretty awesome.
    i also like nissan's 5.6 L in those giant suvs they just released. 5.6 sounds so much better than 5.5 would. even better than 5.7, i think.
    6.2 is pretty sweet, and those numbers represent a pretty big engine too, so that side of me that ignores bad things likes it a lot that there's gonna be a 6.2 in an F-150.
    Another weird thing: i think the 3.8 L v8 in the LS and thunderbird sounds like a cooler number than 4.6.
    This is a very important issue, and i think car companies should start lying about the displacements of their engines so that the names will sound cooler.
    Mercedes has it all backwards with the new ML350 though. The engine's actually a 3.7, me thinks. ML370 sounds cooler. But what would really be cool would be like, ML680, so i think they should call it that and just lie.

    Anybody else see what i'm talking about?
     
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  8. 351CJ

    351CJ New Member

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    :scratch::scratch::scratch:

    Say what?

    They are both 90 degree Vs. How can the angle of separation be greater?

    It is NOT the blocks that are wider (on the 4.6), it is the maxium overall width of the engine with the heads installed.

    However even the maximum width of the DOHC 4.6 is mis-leading because the exhaust manifolds tuck under the heads. On the 5.0 the exhuast manifolds stick out on the side. So a better comparison would be with both engines "fully dressed" with the exhaust mainfolds installed.
     
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  9. 351CJ

    351CJ New Member

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    See above. You are lost because you are confusing overall engine dimesions (which are the only dimensions given in even the latest SVT catalog) with block dimensions.

    I NEVER said that the 4.6 block was smaller, but I know the block itself is not bigger. The way to determine the perspective in the photo is to take a reference point on the engine and compare.

    Do you guys know the difference between the block and the heads?
     
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  10. Omegalock

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    Not really...lol
     
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  11. Scot_94GT

    Scot_94GT Founding Member

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    I seriously hope you were being sarcastic. :rolleyes:
    3.8 sound "cooler" than 4.6?!? set down the crackpipe.
     
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  12. CatmanJJ

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    3.8 sounds better then 4.6, crank the motor and we'll see which one sounds better. :D
     
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  13. 1995cobraR

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    Hmm, I just looked it up. The Mustang has averaged 140,000 cars per year for the last 10 years. According to my research the Mustang has out sold the Camaro 2 to 1 (total production per year). In it's entire production run the Mustang has out sold the Camaro 8,600,000 to 1,225,000. :shrug:

    P/S No flame here, the camaro was a great car, and why they killed it is beyond me. If I wanted a GM car, the Z06 is the best choice anyway. :nice:
     
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  14. 63_Fairlane

    63_Fairlane Founding Member

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    Sorry, 5.0s made 300 ftlbs at the flywheel. Hemis only had 2 count them 2 valves per cylinder. Hemi refers to hemispherical combustion chambers, as in half of a globe. If you going to spout crap about Chevys and Dodges in a Mustang forum... at least get it right!! :notnice:
     
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  15. Z28x

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    What site do you use to look up sales figures? I can't find a good one. I know the Camaro out sold the Stang in 94-95, The Mustang pretty much did a 2 to 1 on the F-bodies in 98+ (after GM decided to kill almost all funding and advertising)

    Hopfully 05+ Stang sales will do good enough for Ford to throw the performance enthusisist a bone and give us a 5.4L or bigger engine in an affordable car.
     
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  16. falchulk

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    The camaro on its own only sold 2x,xxx for the last 3 years. Of those, 12,xxx were v8's! I have a 2001 and love it but they could not compare to the stangs sales figures. For accurate sales figurs on the fbody, go to http://web.camaross.com/forums/
     
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  17. SVTdriver

    SVTdriver Founding Member

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    I read somewhere that out of the 35 years they were competing for sales. Camaros outsold mustangs in only 7 years. As far as where to get sales numbers. www.themustangsource.com. Check outthe timeline section and you can find production numbers for the mustangs. As far as camaros are concerned. It was a pain in the backside to find anything.
     
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  18. foghorn67

    foghorn67 I'll save you the time and choke myself Founding Member

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    I know enough that you're argument is pointless. can't make a motor run without heads. not to give you a hard time or anything...but nice try digging your way out of that. :D
    SVT driver: I have an old 2000 or 2001 catalog.
     
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  19. 351CJ

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    You're close, but here are the #s' that I found. Note that these are production #'s by model year, not sales per calendar year.

    1965 680,989
    1966 607,568
    1967 472,121
    1968 317,404
    1969 299,824
    1970 190,727
    1971 149,678
    1972 125,093
    1973 134,867
    1974 385,993
    1975 188,575
    1976 187,567
    1977 153,173
    1978 192,410
    1979 369,936
    1980 241,064
    1981 162,593
    1982 130,418
    1983 120,873
    1984 141,480
    1985 156,514
    1986 224,210
    1987 159,145
    1988 211,225
    1989 209,769
    1990 128,189
    1991 98,737
    1992 79,280
    1993 114,228
    1994 123,598
    1995 165,037
    1996 126,483
    1997 100,254
    1998 170,643
    1999 130,695
    2000 202,990
    2001 155,563
    2002 142,414
    2003 150,601
    2004 110,000 - estimated, - short year ~9 months of production.
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    Total 8,201,928


    Now quick, besides the Chevy Corvette, name another car model (model, not brand) that has been in production for over 40 continuous years and during those 40 years has essentially remained the same type of car as the original. :shrug:
     
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  20. spectravp

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    Who cares wether the Mustang out sold the Camaro or not? The Camaro is gone. The Mustang is still here. There is a huge buzz about the 05. It's everywhere.... People say camaro and think of 1982 and globs of hair gel. Do I need to say more?
     
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