Man, i missed out on a really good thread! I have a few questions.. Bhuff, What parts of the scripture dont u believe or take at face value? Cougar, Science has always facinated me ...and much of science is a study of God's awesome handy work. The accuarcy of the word has been used by historians and archelogist alike to find lost citys/towns, battlefeilds , Even place Kings and rulers by years, tracing genologies and lienage of all the above. Now ...with the Fact that the bible can be verfied (by itself and along with other ancient writings /historical documents) keep this in mind. Say you and a buddy show up late to a movie, you want to know what happend in the begining so, Do you ask someone who was there before you? or do u turn to your buddy and say "what do u think happend"? Darwinism and the big bang, evolution in general has been around for what? a couple hundred years AT most. Scripture has been proven (traced back) over a couple thousand years. Who are you asking where u came from? Your buddy who came late with you, or the one who has seen it from the begining? (ps:where did they draw evolution from, carbon dating has only been around for a little bit...science is not accurate, ask any cutting edge scientist. If it was, you'd still be studying science books from the 1950's) Freakingtiger : Yes your correct, we are not here to condem anyone....You guys wether you believe what we are saying or not, must understand the reason behind us sharing (and to some of you seem like were "stepping on toes") this belief with you. If this belief didnt work, if was wrong or full of loop holes, or a garrenteed waste of time...it wouldnt have lasted and spread as it has. Like 140cilx said, I'm cool with all you guys on where you stand, but that doesnt mean i dont hope that you will see the love of Jesus that surpases understanding and is the only way into heaven. Believe me, i want to have a giant 2.3 family gathering in heaven!