Electrical electrical grounds

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  1. MikeH686

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    Hey does anyone have a diagram or could tell me where all the grounds are on the fox body I have all the body (circuit) grounds but I mean the main grounds like where does the battery ground at and the block to body ground at also I'm making my own ground cables for these two ground I'm sure that 2 gauge wire will be sufficient for these grounds also if anyone knows any other grounds that I'm missing would be helpful
     
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    Grounds

    Revised 28-Oct-2012 to add signal ground description & possible problems if it is bad

    Grounds are important to any electrical system, and especially to computer controlled engines. In an automobile, the ground is the return path for power to get back to the alternator and battery.

    1.) The main power ground is from engine block to battery: it is the power ground for the starter & alternator.


    2.) The secondary power ground is between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It is often missing or loose. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges.

    Any car that has a 3G or high output current alternator needs a 4 gauge ground wire running from the block to the chassis ground where the battery pigtail ground connects. The 3G has a 130 amp capacity, so you wire the power side with 4 gauge wire. It stands to reason that the ground side handles just as much current, so it needs to be 4 gauge too.

    The picture shows the common ground point for the battery , computer, & extra 3G alternator ground wire as described above in paragraph 2. A screwdriver points to the bolt that is the common ground point.

    The battery common ground is a 10 gauge pigtail with the computer ground attached to it.
    Picture courtesy timewarped1972
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    Correct negative battery ground cable.
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    3.) The computer's main power ground (the one that comes from the battery ground wire) uses pins 40 & 60 for all the things it controls internally: it comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to its proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery.
    In 86-90 model cars, it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire.
    In 91-95 model cars it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/white wire.
    You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness.


    4.) All the sensors have a common separate signal ground. This includes the TPS, ACT, EGR, BAP, & VSS sensors. This ground is inside the computer and connects pin 46 to pins 40 & 60, which are the main computer grounds. If this internal computer ground gets damaged, you won't be able to dump codes and the car will have idle/stall/ performance problems

    5.) The O2 sensor heaters have their own ground (HEGO ground) coming from the computer. This is different and separate from the O2 sensor ground. It is an orange wire with a ring terminal on it. It is located in the fuel injector wiring harness and comes out under the throttle body. It gets connected to a manifold or bolt on back of the cylinder head.

    6.) The TFI module has 2 grounds: one for the foil shield around the wires and another for the module itself. The TFI module ground terminates inside the computer.

    7.) The computer takes the shield ground for the TFI module and runs it from pin 20 to the chassis near the computer.


    See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. Be sure to have the maximum load on a circuit when testing voltage drops across connections. As current across a defective or weak connection, increases so does the voltage drop. A circuit or connection may check out good with no load or minimal load, but show up bad under maximum load conditions. .

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    Extra grounds are like the reserve parachute for a sky diver. If the main one fails, there is always your reserve.

    The best plan is to have all the grounds meet at one central spot and connect together there. That eliminates any voltage drops from grounds connected at different places. A voltage drop between the computer ground and the alternator power ground will effectively reduce the voltage available to the computer by the amount of the drop.
     
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    MikeH686 Mine is only two inches though.

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    Thanks that'll work
     
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    Words to live by when it comes to grounding.

    Mike, I wouldn't be too concerned with using the stock grounding locations. The most important thing it to make sure each device's ground has a path back to the battery via copper wire, not the chassis. Don't ask 20+ year old steel to do the job of brand new copper wire.
     
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    MikeH686 Mine is only two inches though.

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    So basically take all my grounds and route them to the battery?
     
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    I'm still kind of confused as to what all needs to be grounded I have all the body grounds attached used new mounting points but I can't remember what else needs to be grounded I know all the sensors on the block need a ground but what else?
     
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    You may have mentioned it in your build thread, but is your battery in the trunk?
     
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    MikeH686 Mine is only two inches though.

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    It was gonna be now its not
     
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    All the engine sensors have their own dedicated ground as part of their wiring. They do not need any additional grounds. Messing with the sensor grounds will cause problems, so leave them alone.
     
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    OK so I would just need a ground from block to chassis and chassis to battery correct?
     
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    That will work. I prefer terminal strips for any other grounds that you need to connect (other than the EFI stuff as mentioned).

    Here's a picture from the Ron Francis catalog that explains what I'm talking about:
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    MikeH686 Mine is only two inches though.

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    Thanks that what I was looking for and I have their dang catalog to
     
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