Ford is suing companies for use of Mustang name?

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  1. Jester67

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    Looks like you hit a nerve zookeeper lets keep drilling and see if we can hit another.

    I was looking to get a 07 Mustang in August 1. Because I need a new car 2. August was when my 67 was built and sold and 3. August was when I bought her. But now I’m looking at another Subaru or maybe Toyota.
     
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  2. zookeeper

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    The funny thing about the reply by 68MustangGt390 is this: it happened right after I sent a link of this thread to the Ford propoganda folks. This guy apparently signed up to Stangnet just to reply to that thread, since a quick search of all his threads revealed nothing before or since. Do you suppose this idiot is a "plant" by Ford to try to show us how much Ford really cares about all of us?
     
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    I suspected as much. He sounds like he's a Ford lawyer. It also appears that he read few if any of the previous posts.
     
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    Trade marks suck =\
     
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    Just a little update: I got another email a few weeks ago about Ford's need to protect themselves, blah, blah, blah. I'll post if if anyone here is interested in reading it.
     
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    Scan it to a jpg/pdf.
     
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    I've owned 14 mustangs, a 72 Gran Torino Sport, 84 Mercury Marquis, 87 Taurus, 89 T-bird (traded in at 140K mi), 91 E-150 conversion van (traded in at 245K mi), 00 Escort ZX2, and an01 Sable. Ok Ford, What does that tell you about brand loyalty. I'm thinking of buying a new car next summer. I've had my heart set on a new mustang but I just can't see that happening when FORD is BETRAYING the very people that have kept the mustang in the car enthusiast's heart. Its a matter of principal and that doesn't seem to be politically correct these days, especialy with those in a position of power. That new Challenger is starting to look real good to me. My best friend from school who got me into fords in high school has already gone to chrysler. He has owned torinos, mustangs, tbirds, a galaxie 7 liter and a couple of cougars. He worked many years in ford service at several dealerships. He bled ford blue.

    Here's an idea for ford, how about taking all those resources being used to screw the entire hobby and instead use them to investigate the many companys for quality products and if they meet certain standards give them the SEAL OF APPROVAL. Not license and trying to get their hands in everyone else's pockets. That would do much better good for all involved instead of raping the industry and dragging everybody into court. Oh I forgot, that doesn't make quick money for the greedy ones pursuing the current course of action. Stupid me for thinking long term.
     
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    This is a current push but they're very slow to respond. There has been a bit of turn over up top at Ford.
     
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    This kind of thinking doesn't help anyone. It hurts everyone including Ford, the aftermarket, and the spirit of the enthusiast to which we all stand for. I would ask that you re-think your position and just get the car that you want the most. Don't let spite choose it for you.

    I have faith that Ford will eventually work with the aftermarket companys helping to spur the sales of even more Mustangs. Give it some time!
     
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  10. zookeeper

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    I just did a quick copy/paste, it may be a little hard to follow, but you get the idea. The funny thing is, I get the eerie feeling they have no idea whatsoever what I'm talking about!

    Dear Jim,

    If your local Ford or Lincoln-Mercury dealership is unable to order a
    particular Ford part for you because it is unavailable, we recommend
    contacting one of the below companies, as they specialize in obsolete
    parts:

    Green Sales
    513-731-3304
    www.greensalescompany.com

    Parts Voice
    800-328-8766
    www.partsvoice.com

    In addition, the department that would best handle your inquiry
    regarding Ford Mustang brand name would be our Global Brand Licensing office.

    Please contact them directly at:
    [email protected]

    or

    Ford Motor Company
    Global Brand Licensing Office
    16800 Executive Plaza Drive
    Suite 5N203
    Dearborn, MI 48126
    USA

    Sincerely,
    Eleonor Joy
    Customer Relationship Center
    Ford Motor Company

    For online support visit us at: www.customersaskford.com which contains
    answers to frequently asked questions and links to other key product
    and service information.

    [THREAD ID:1-3BTB1F]

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]
    Sent: 2/5/2007 08:59:36 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: Ford Motor Company

    Hello Marjorie, I'm not sure how many lawsuits your company has
    brought against Mustang restoration suppliers, but the one I'm
    concerned with involves Ford's attack on any and all businesses with the word,
    "Mustang" in the name. I really do not see any benefits for Ford in
    this matter at all. In fact I see just the opposite of a financial gain,
    and that is a huge financal loss. How could protecting a Ford
    copyrighted name be a bad thing? This is a no-win game for Ford, and here's why:
    Mustang parts suppliers started going into business about the time Ford
    quit supplying parts in the late '70's and early '80's. Back then Ford
    couldn't have possibly cared less about old cars, whether they were
    Mustangs or not. At that particular time, Ford only cared about selling
    new cars, and in my opinion, nothing's changed in that area. In 1980, a
    decent '67 Mustang fastback was worth about $2,000 and the owners and
    restorers of those cars
    weren't even a blip on Ford's radar screen. As parts supplies dried
    up, aftermarket vendors saw a need in the market and filled that need by
    building and supplying Mustang restorers with the parts they needed.
    Ford on the other hand was busy selling truly horrible cars like the
    Pinto and Mustang II. As time went on Mustang restorers and vendors formed
    a relationship that benefitted both. There were (and are) some
    businesses that sell substandard parts, but savvy builders know to steer clear
    of those businesses an are very helpful to newcomers to the hobby to
    help them find quality parts. As time went on, years turned to
    decades and our vintage Mustangs have been "discovered" the rest of the
    world and prices have jumped. Now that some hypothetical 1967 fastback
    Mustang that was worth $2,000 in '80 is worth ten times that today.
    Like any hobby where there is money to be made, it attracts attention,
    both good
    and bad. The good attention is that quality parts are in high demand.
    The bad is that everyone has their hand out, wanting to cash in on the
    Mustang phenomenon, and that includes Ford. Where was Ford when we
    needed parts 25 years ago? Where were the greedy lawyers when there was no
    money to be made in the hobby? If I understand correctly,
    Ford wants to eliminate any business with the word "Mustang" in it's
    name. Let me ask you this question: if you own a business that caters
    primarily to the Mustang industry, what would you call it? It only makes
    sense to use the name of your intended customers car in the title. Ford's
    position is that they would like to "protect" the consumer by allowing
    the "approved" vendors to offer "official", Ford-approved parts. Sure
    it is, after all Ford is only looking out for my best interest by
    putting the screws to the same people that helped me restore my Mustangs for
    the last 20
    years, right? After all, I'm sure that Ford really has it's finger on
    the pulse of the collector car hobby. If Ford wants to compete with
    current suppliers, then get in line and open up shop and let the quality
    of their parts speak for themselves. The only thing Ford had left was
    the loyalty of Ford owners, it didn't matter if an enthusiast owned a new
    Ford or an old one, a Ford was a Ford and that's all that mattered. But
    the marketing guru's at Ford today took care of that, at least for me.
    So my next question is, is anyone at Ford listening to the grass-roots
    enthusiast? Jim
    Elliott

    [email protected] wrote: Dear Jim,

    Thank you for contacting the Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship
    Center a Mustang lawsuit.

    We would like to address this matter on your behalf. However, we are
    unclear on the specific nature of the response to your previous e-mail as
    you have outlined in your e-mail. Please reply to us with a
    clarification of how you would like Ford Motor Company to assist you with regards
    to this matter.

    If you have any other inquiries, please feel free to contact us and we
    will be happy to address them for you.

    Sincerely,
    Marjorie Anne
    Customer Relationship Center
    Ford Motor Company

    Please visit our 24/7 on-line help service, www.customersaskford.com
    which contains answers to frequently asked questions and links to other
    key product and service
    information.

    [THREAD ID:1-3BKZUZ]

    -----Original Message-----

    From: [email protected]
    Sent: 1/31/2007 08:06:17 PM
    To:
    Subject: Question_to_Ford_Motor_Co

    Contact Us
    First Name: Jim
    Last Name: Elliott
    Email Address: [email protected]
    Questions: Hi,
    A few months ago, I took the time to write you with my concerns about
    your pending lawsuit against the people in the Mustang-based
    restoration
    market. Instead of getting an answer, I was emailed a form letter
    explaining nothing, but trying to justify your greed. Here's a link to
    an
    online forum where some die-hard Ford people have some strong opinions
    about this subject. http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=635959
    Also, I hope the idiots behind this lawsuit are buying a lot of Fords.
    My
    wife and I will be buying a new car in a couple weeks and it sure won't
    be
    a Ford! The Dodge dealer has some nice products and they
    aren't
    crucifiying their supporters. Good Luck flushing what's left of your
    company down the toilet.
     
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    while agree to some extent that it may counter productive it also needs to be said and followed through on, otherwise the message never gets across and everyone get's screwed. a little revolution now and then is agood thing after all. sometimes drastic measures need to be taken to make those in power truly understand what's actually at stake, especially in this case. that said, i fully intend for my next new car purchase to be a ford product but that is still at least 4 years off and hopefully this mess will all be sorted out by then or i may be buying a mazda product that is no longer associated with ford other than the fact that mazda may have taken over ford by then....not a good thing!
     
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  12. StangDreamin'

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    zoo: You are obviously corresponding with yet one more car exec that just doesn't "get it". Back in the days that you and I (and a bunch of other people around here) remember fondly; Ford was run by "car guys"; men with a passion for their machines. They knew what they wanted and how they wanted it; and oh, how badly they wanted it.

    This Eleanor (how appropriate is that name?) woman has no clue. She's nothing more than yet another of those people who would -given the money- buy a '70 Mach 1 (with a stroked Chevy 350, probably) for $120k at Barrett-Jackson just so she could say she won the bidding. And that's the entire problem; Ford (and GM and to some good extent Daimler-Chrysler) is now being run by people whose passion is not the car; it's just the dollar sign.

    And they can't figure out why they're going in the tank; even when "car guys" tell them. :nonono:

    Jeeze, even Iacocca figured it out.
     
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    I guess that's the really frustrating part for me. I recently caught an episope of "Rides" on TLC and even though it wasn't exactly a thrilling episode, I watched. The whole episode was on some inter-department design contest to design an SUV of the future. NOT ONE of the people doing any of the design work was a native American. Why is this important? How is a Frenchman going to know what stimulates a 40-something American to plunk down money on a vehicle? I'm not being an elitist or trying to pigeon-hole all non-American designs (or designers) as useless or quirky, but come on, lets get serious. Except for the Mustang, I haven't seen a decent design come from Ford since the '97 F150, and they got rid of that in a hurry. My point is the entire Ford company has completely lost all touch with the grassroots car people. They are and have been living on past glory for years and seem to be trying to be more European than All-American. Seen many Ford's win races lately? Nascar is pretty much an all GM show, Pro Stock hasn't seen a Ford even try to qualify since the late Scott Geofrion, and that was how many years ago? Ford doesn't support racers, restorers or hot rodders. I don't count slapping a grossly exaggerated "Mustang" body on the Team Force floppers. Maybe I would if it didn't have a Mopar-designed Hemi in it, but all the funny cars run the same motor, and none are Ford-powered.
    The only friggin' thing I ask of Ford is to just leave the only Ford-powered car I have alone and allow the companies that support me in my hobby sell me parts without any Ford interferance. But that's too much to ask apparently, and since I'm not much for sitting around and hoping Ford will wise up, I choose to at least write an email. Even if it does need to be sent to an interpreter before the Ford PR machine can read it.
     
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    Get another subie. Probably will have more American made parts too! I love my Baja, it's been about the BEST daily we've ever had-and the interior fit & finish far exceeds my 00 Stang's. As sad as it is to say that, because I love that car.

    The lines between us and them when it comes to "foreign" and "domestic" are so blurred it's hard to say where they even are now. My 91 Ranger has a Mazda motor in it. How many parts from my 2000 were actually made here in the US? I'd love a true content comparo to my 03 Baja-I'd be interested to see which one is actually more "foreign". They were both ASSEMBLED here...
     
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    Very true. But I don't get too caught up with the "assembled here" part as many do. If assembly and manufacture mean the most to you then you have to examine the components, even those assembled here are made up of many foreign parts, that is true no matter the marque.

    When a J A P company claims we should buy their cars since they are now assembling them here it makes me want to puke. The ONLY reasons they do it are to lower their costs for importing them, plus get a little marketing bonus thrown in. Where the real benefit of buying American car company cars is from the thousands of higher-level (professional) employees they hire, each one of which earns much more than an assembly-line person, and which stock exchange they are traded on. Support the NYSC or the Nikkei, your call.
     
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    Just finished reading this thread and I had heard about Shelby's action against Scott Drake, but did not know about Ford pulling this number on companies selling products for the Mu@@ang. It's some crappy sh*# but in the long run they are going to pay the price. I mean, I myself have had a Capri RS, 3 Explorers,4 Mu@@angs,(86 SVO, 94GT, 95GT and a 68 fastback) and currently drive a SVT Lightning. They killed the Adrenalin and the new Lightning. So, my next car might be the new Challenger, looks pretty Cool to me!!
     
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    Newbie Question

    Hi all. just got on board and was wondering (am sure someone mentioned but I didn't see) if what Ford is doing is on a global basis. We are here in the philippines were we are blogging our Stang adventures at http://rickynsally.wordpress.com/

    LOL. Will we be disallowed to use the "M" word in our sites?

    Would dictionaries have to be re-written too? The word mustang stricken? Unless it has a capital "M"?
     
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    Maybe Ford should have put more money into R&D on the 6.0 liter Deisel before they unleashed that huck of junk on the public, and less on hammering classic vendors?!
    My company lemon-lawed two 04 F350s.
    I'm not an accountant but I can tell you that they lost money on me that year.
    It seems a little rediculous to me...MU, MP, MD all at the very least give ford free advertising and they sell quite a few FOMOCO parts. What are they supposed to call a company that sells MUSTANG PARTS??? Camaros Unlimited?????
    I DON"T GET FORD's LOGIC???????
    But then again I would have convicted O.J.,Blake & Specter so maybe I'm not smart enough to understand this whole court thing???? LOL
     
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    It's the world we live in these days....... You get hammered by your detractors (sometimes righteously); so the obvious response is to beat up your supporters! :shrug:

    I just don't get it; and my employer must be the greatest inspration for Dilbert cartoons....
     
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    <<<<<<<
    Someone called?
    <<<<<<<

    Seriously though, there were several strips back in the day that were derived from an email or twenty regarding happenings at Motorola when I worked there (1995-2000).

    My favorite was when HR implemented a new policy called "Individual Dignity Entitlement" or IDE, it was supposed to tell each employee how much their personal dignity was valued by the company, they gave us mouse pads and coffee cups with the logo and all. This came out in the exact same memo where they told us the random urinalysis was going to start. Several of us were wondering if that is what the coffee cup was for, but there was no lid :shrug:

    I think when Scott Adams made the comic about that one he called it "Individual Dignity Enhancement", just to make sure the brass at Motorola knew it wasn't about them.
     
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