Discussion in 'Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech' started by JPD686, Aug 10, 2012.
I planned on using your list. I was just curious about that until I get to it.
So, I'm not getting power to the inertia switch, but there is almost 6 volts at the injectors. I'm stumped at this point. Is there a fusible link between the eec and one of those points?
I'm sorry. There's only .5 volts at the injector. So, pretty much no power at the injectors or inertia switch.
Check the computer power relay circuit. Look for 12 volts on computer pins 37 & 57 with the ignition switch in the Run position.
No 12 volts on 37 & 57, check pin 1 in the computer for 12 volts. No 12 volts on computer pin 1 the computer power fuse link is bad.
Good 12 volts on computer pin 1, the computer power relay located above the computer is bad or there is no power to the computer relay coil. Check the relay for evidence of moisture damage to the relay and relay socket.
Post your results after you do the checks if you have any questions.
Use the diagram below to help locate the computer pins & wires.
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Ok, so with the key in the run position, I have 6 volts at both pin 37&57. Pin 1 has over 14 volts (brand new battery).
I also have a plug dangling above the computer that looks like it could use a relay, but I don't know. See pic (if it works).
After searching the internet a little, it looks like that is where the eec relay is supposed to be. Does it make sense that I would still have 6 volts at pins 37 & 57 without a relay even being there? My brother had the car stored for me and said the car just stopped running one day. So, somehow the relay just dissappeared, I guess. Now I gotta find a relay.
Anyone have a part number?
The auto parts stores will have it in their catalog/computer. It is a common item, nothing special.
It seems like, without the relay, I shouldn't have any power at pins 37&57. Am I right? Why would there be 6 volts at each one?
Possible wiring problem, meter needs new batteries or something else. One of the pins should have 12 volts on it.
Can you read circuit diagrams? If so then check out the diagram I posted. It will show you the power feed for the fuel pump relay.
Since your sign shows 93 wiring, here is a different diagram...
Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs
Revised 20-Feb-2014 to add better description of the Computer Power Relay function to provide power to the fuel pump power relay.
Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 2-5 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the upper RH corner to ground.
If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.
No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump Relay:
On 91 cars, it is located under the driver's seat.
On 92 and 93 cars it is located under the MAF. Be careful not to confuse it with the A/C WOT cutoff relay which is in the same area. See the diagram to help identify the fuel pump relay wiring colors.
Be sure to closely check the condition of the relay, wiring & socket for corrosion and damage.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.
Theory of operation:
Read this section through several times. If you understand the theory of operation, this will be much easier to troubleshoot. Refer to the diagram below frequently.
Diagram of the fuel pump wiring for 91-93 cars.
The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.
The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to
complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.
Computer power path
The computer power relay must properly function to provide power for the fuel pump relay. That means you must check the operation of the computer power relay (PCM Power Relay) before chasing any problems with the fuel pump circuit. The computer power relay is located above the computer under the passenger side kick plate cover. . It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side dash speaker out to access it.
With the Ignition switch in the Off position, check the resistance between the black/white wire and a clean bare spot on the car body metal. You should see less that 1 Ohm. More than 1 Ohm is a broken wire, or bad connection of the black/white wire and the car body metal.
Check for 12 volts at the yellow wire. Good 12 volts and the fuse link is OK. No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections.
With the Ignition switch in the Run position, look for good 12 volts on the red/green wire. No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections.
Good 12 volts on the red/green wire, look for good 12 volts on the red wire or any of the red fuel injector wires. No 12 volts or low voltage and the relay isn’t closing, or relay socket contacts are dirty/corroded. Water has been known to run down the radio antenna wire or leak from the windshield and get into the relay and relay contacts.
Fuel pump power path
The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness. The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows
through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.
Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92 or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be mistaken for the fuel pump relay.
Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.
The location for the inertia switch is under the plastic for the driver's side taillight.
There should be a round plastic pop out cover over it, remove it to access the switch button.
With the test connection jumpered and ignition switch in The Run position as described above, check the brown/pink wire. It should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the dark green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire (inertia switch output). Power on the dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire means the inertia switch is open.
Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position. Sometimes the inertia switch will be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that there is 12 volts on both sides of the switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop measured across the switch is less than .75 volts.
Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.
Make sure that the power is off the circuit before making any resistance checks.
If the circuit is powered up, your resistance measurements will be inaccurate.
Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts.
Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow.
No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood. Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.
Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
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Fuel pump runs continuously:
The fuel pump relay contacts are stuck together or the light blue/orange wire has shorted to ground. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket. Then disconnect the computer and use an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange wire and ground. You should see more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t jumpered to ground.
If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.
Prior to replacing the computer, check the computer power ground. The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness.
Yes. Thank you. I just realized 91_93 is different. I now have the relay that was missing. But I'll start from the beginning, since it's a different process. Thanks for your help so far.
According to what I read, and see in the diagram, the wires at the fuel inertia switch are green/yellow and brown/pink, but mine are both red. And neither side has power (for the record).
Also, this is all from a 93 Cobra. Is that different from any other 93 wiring?
The Cobra wiring was the same as the standard 5.0 Mustang.
I have revised the Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs to include some things that have come to notice during your efforts to troubleshoot your current problem. Please carefully re-read the troubleshooter test path and make the additional checks.
I see mention of a fuel pump relay "coil". What does this look like and where would it be? I do not see it on the wiring diagram.
The relay coil is the winding inside the relay.
I thought so. Just wasn't sure. Thanks.
And what setting should my multi meter be set at to measure ohms? My meter has 200, 2000, 20k, 200k, and 2000k.
Have you replaced the computer power relay yet?
Yes. The relay is in. But it must not be the problem.
Turn the ignition switch to the Run position.
Do you have 12 volt power on the red/green wire that comes from the ignition switch and connects to the computer power relay?
Do you have 12 volt power on the red fuel injector wires?
Yes. Each of those points have power.