GT40 install and EGR Issues

dls322

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Ok, so I got my car back and running after my GT40 intake swap. I also put on a 70mm throttle body and EGR spacer. The car was running poor and loopy after the install and sounded like it had a vacuum leak. I checked all the lines and everything was fine. Originally the car had an EGR valve on it but the vacuum line was never connected to it so i assumed it wasn't working. Now with the new setup i ran a vacuum line to the new EGR valve. So i'm playing around and i take the line off the EGR and put my finger over the hose and block it off......car idles perfect and vacuum leak sound is gone??:shrug: The car still feels kinda sluggish. Should i just leave the EGR disconnected? Or will that throw a code and make it run limp? Should i get a one of those EGR simultors? I have no smog setup on the car and the heads are blocked off where the smog system was. Any ideas? I knwo this topic gets thrown around alot but the deal with the vacuum leak and poor idle is weird.
Thanks!!
 
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Well it seemed that it was coming from where the upper and lower intake meet under the egr. I pulled the upper off and i could see residue on the outside kinda like there was a leak there. :shrug: The EGR is "newer" it came with the throttle body that i bought online but both were used. Since i swapped to a different intake setup, i'm pretty sure it doesn't have the erg cutout in the lower intake, so does it even matter if i have it hooked up or not. The suspected leak was coming from the general area where the egr port was located. I'm using a gasket for a 97 explorer. Should i just get rid of the egr setup? Is the egr actually screwing up my vacuum system and forcing the leak? Thanks
 
I have trick flow H/C/I and this is what my gaskets looked like for the lower. Maybe this is your problem. If you are using egr, then no.1 will be used and goes in the middle of the gaskets where it looks like a puzzle peice. With no egr u use No. 2. These are felpro gaskets shown and comes with everything you see.
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Are you running direct vacuum to the EGR off the vacuum tree?? If so, that's your problem. The EGR does not see direct vac. It sees vacuum only at mid throttle. It is controlled by the solenoids located on the passenger fender.

Doa search for EGR related threads. There are some good vacuum diagrams to help you figure it out in most of the posts. Seems every week someone wants to delete their EGR, then 10 people chime in with reasons why it's a bad idea, and then they go ahead and do it anyway. :(
 
Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.


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Troubleshooting:
There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)
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The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 2-5 in vacuum


Late Model Restoration has the Ford Racing M-12071-N302 kit with the EGR valve & sensor along with the ACT & ECT sensors for $45. See http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=M12071N302 1&comp=LRS for more details
 
I have trick flow H/C/I and this is what my gaskets looked like for the lower. Maybe this is your problem. If you are using egr, then no.1 will be used and goes in the middle of the gaskets where it looks like a puzzle peice. With no egr u use No. 2. These are felpro gaskets shown and comes with everything you see.
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The circle gasket is for the dizzy.