stangonline
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True - but he didn't ask us if we thought he could afford it The mod motor route is expensive, if nothing else.
57fairlane said:glad to see the mud motor trolls made it. .
jbuening said:Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but i think the Griggs front suspension setup looks like a cobbled up mess. It may handle better but it sure doesn't look too pretty. I know looks aren't everything, but if i'm throwing $10k into a front suspension i'd want it to look somewhat presentable.
I might add that the mod motors tend to react better to mods than a carb'd motor, especially with the use of forced induction. If it were me, i'd definitely eliminate the shock towers or get rid of them as much as possible just to ease spark plug changes and possible use of headers in the future. I'll leave the cost up to him, but if that's what he wants the perks to him! You'll also have to modify the firewall and the trans tunnel to get that monster in there. IIRC, the motor is longer than your normal 302 and you have to sit it back a bit, thus the need for firewall mods. Can't use the stock heater motor either, cause there is a huge head in the way. Dave at DVS restorations can also assist in getting the SN95 front suspension under the car also. I'm not a fan of wiring and sensors, and the mod motors are full of them so i'll stick with my carb motors lol.
DukeGnarley said:i don't think anybody is doubting the effectivness of the griggs suspension, but last i checked it was near $10,000 for the whole setup, not even getting to the engine. One thing to point out about the aluminum block 4.6, is it's still heavier than an aluminum block 302 or 351. Not many people are looking to make over 450 - 500 horses in these cars, and for the money spent, the 302 or 351 will get you there much cheaper, and will weigh less for better handeling.
jbuening said:Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but i think the Griggs front suspension setup looks like a cobbled up mess. It may handle better but it sure doesn't look too pretty. I know looks aren't everything, but if i'm throwing $10k into a front suspension i'd want it to look somewhat presentable.
I might add that the mod motors tend to react better to mods than a carb'd motor, especially with the use of forced induction. If it were me, i'd definitely eliminate the shock towers or get rid of them as much as possible just to ease spark plug changes and possible use of headers in the future. I'll leave the cost up to him, but if that's what he wants the perks to him! You'll also have to modify the firewall and the trans tunnel to get that monster in there. IIRC, the motor is longer than your normal 302 and you have to sit it back a bit, thus the need for firewall mods. Can't use the stock heater motor either, cause there is a huge head in the way. Dave at DVS restorations can also assist in getting the SN95 front suspension under the car also. I'm not a fan of wiring and sensors, and the mod motors are full of them so i'll stick with my carb motors lol.
302 coupe said:hey guys, I want to swap in an engine with miniscule displacement, but incredible external size, thats really heavy, expensive, complicated, and maxes out at about 350 flywheel horses n/a. Whats the best way to go about this? Oh...and I'm on a budget.
stangonline said:Griggs is a mess? Man - to me, it looks like a mean, lean, racing, double a-arm, coil-over monster - with front stear, sealed hub spindles..pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun! It might not be what you usually see under there, but it's certainly not ugly - heh.
302 coupe said:hey guys, I want to swap in an engine with miniscule displacement, but incredible external size, thats really heavy, expensive, complicated, and maxes out at about 350 flywheel horses n/a. Whats the best way to go about this? Oh...and I'm on a budget.
NasaGT said:Lets get back on topic. The original poster asked for what was needed to swap a mod motor in, not 100 biased reasons not to.
302 coupe said:hey guys, I want to swap in an engine with miniscule displacement, but incredible external size, thats really heavy, expensive, complicated, and maxes out at about 350 flywheel horses n/a. Whats the best way to go about this? Oh...and I'm on a budget.
bnickel said:yep a cobbled up mess. look at the quality of the welds on a griggs setup. will it do the job? probably, but for how long? but if i'm paying that much money i'd better damn well get quality looking welds!!!! i have also heard a lot of bad stuff about using griggs stuff on the street as of late namely because of the welds, you see those crappy looking welds also have a tendancy to break. this is just stuff that i've heard no personal experience. any way you look at it, i'm not trusting my life to crappy welding, period.....hell the welds on my POS shop dolly look better than most of the welds i've seen on griggs products.
i have to wonder if the welds are that sloppy on something they sell to the public what is the engineering like? another thing is that if i wanted what is basically a fox body mustang front suspension i'd go out and buy a fox body for a hell of a lot cheaper than a classic mustang shell much less adding the cost of the griggs suspenion to it. so it's got upper a-arms added so what? it's still basically a fox body suspension setup with the same basic geometry of a fox body fairmont or ltd. yeah like want a fairmont suspension in my classic mustang. no thanks
stangonline said:I agree, I've done a doubletake or two when looking at griggs welds, but the fact is, you don't hear of many failures - and these get track duty. If you have any doubt of the performance, check corner-carvers.net, they are super nice and will answer any new-comers questions.
However, the fact that you think it's a fox body suspension tells me that you need to look again... We can continue this dibate in another thread, once you've taken a few more looks at the pretty pictures..
Jeff