i have maganpacks and the reason i love them is they arnt very loud at idle, so you dont get a really annoying drone when your on the highway. But they are loud as hell as soon as you put your foot down even a little. Iv had 1 guy move out because he thought my car was too loud and i try to be nice and quiet when in the neighborhood. My gf can hear me coming home when im 4 blocks away. I have the stock mid pipe too.