If the Shelby Cobra comes out, will it hold back the performance of the SVT Cobra

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  1. Z28x

    Z28x New Member

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    If the Shelby Cobra comes out, will it hold back the performance of the SVT Cobra?

    THe Ford GT is 500HP and $140K and rumors have it that if the Shelby Cobra is built it will cost about the same as a Viper ($83K). Since it would be cheaper, I would also expext it to have less HP than Fords Flagship car the GT(40). THe same then could probably be said for the SVT Mustang Cobra, Ford wouldn't want the $35K SVT Cobra to be as fast as an $80K Shelby Cobra.

    If the Shelby is built then we might get a Ford line up that looks like this:
    Ford GT = 500HP
    Shelby Cobra = 460HP
    SVT Cobra = 425HP

    or if the final production Ford GT HP goes up, thanks to the new twin screw s/c it now has, we might see.

    Ford GT = 550HP
    Shelby Cobra = 500HP
    SVT Cobra = 450HP

    It seems like for us Mustang fans it would be better if the Shelby isn't built, Then we could get a higher HP Cobra, What do you guys think?
     
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    I'm betting that the Cobra will have nearly the same drivetrain as the 03/04, with maybe a touch more power (or even just a more correct horsepower rating, with no change at all to the power). And I think this would be a GOOD THING. The Mustang has never been a high-end car, it's about bang for the buck. If Ford wants to compete with the Vette, they should do as Chevy does and create a car for the purpose (read: Shelby Cobra :D). I would like an '06 Cobra myself, but only if they keep it in the same price range... if it jumps to $45k for a coupe, I will just get a GT.

    Dave
     
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    I don't see that the new Shelby Cobra roadster will hurt SVT Cobra Mustang development. The Shelby Cobra roadster is going in a different direction than the Ford GT(40) and the SVT Cobra in that it purportedly will have the an N/A V10. Regardless if the Shelby Cobra roadster is produced I think for the forseeable future the factory ceiling for SVT Cobra HP will be around 450HP, which to me seems like plenty.
     
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    I could care less. The Shelby Cobra is an ugly rounded ball of $hit. It doesn't look like the older Shelby Cobra of the 60's. Ford should be ashamed to built a $hitball car like the Cobra. Horsepower or no horsepower. It's ugly.
     
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    Uhm... the Shelby Cobra will have the 5.8 V10 rated at 425hp. SVT is going upscale, so expect the 500hp V8 in the SVT Mustang (SVT Cobra implies that SVT is making a version of the Shelby Cobra). The SVT Mustang won't be a $35k car anymore, unfortunately, but there will be special models in that price range (perhaps a little below).

    The Shelby Cobra was designed around a V10 being in the engine bay, so I can't fathom a reason they would go with a V8 in the production version. The notion of a V10 in the SVT Mustang is something that has absolutely no basis in reality -- it doesn't even deserve the name "rumor", because it's just rampant speculation. The SVT Mustang will probably have the same motor as the SVT Lightning, though tuned a little bit differently. It will also be setup for serious road-racing, and oh by the way, be able to beat a Viper at the drags if it wants to. SVT is aiming to make the SVT Mustang capable of taking on the M cars from BMW, so a 425hp motor isn't going to cut it.

    I just want to know what they're going to call the SVT version of the Mustang; maybe just "Mustang SVT". If the Shelby car is produced (and I don't know why they'd spend that kind of money and effort getting Shelby back into the company if they weren't going to build that car), then it will be there for the purpose of beating up on the Vette and Viper, leaving the M-SVT as a more practical (four-seater) vehicle to beat up on the sports coupes from Germany, and the Ford GT as the Italian beater. Ford seems to be quite serious about definitavely owning the performance market, at least domestically.
     
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    I think they may do a Shelby Cobra, but I think the most likely avenue right now is a Shelby version of the Mustang. I am sure that John Coletti and old Carroll Shelby are duking it out over what will be the top offering. I personally would like to see Shelby get it. I can also see the Shelby as more geared towards road racing. That is what the original Shelbys were geared towards. With the exception of the Boss Mustangs, Ford itself didn't seem to get into the road racing thing then.
    I can't wait until 2006 to see what is offered then. I think I read that Shelby "leased" the use of the "Cobra" name to Ford...Maybe he will pull the name back...I know that ol' Shel was suing all of those kit car companies for calling their cars "Cobra".
    Just my 2 cents, don't count this as the gospel truth though...I have been wrong before.

    Mo' Town
     
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    Don't forget the GT is going away in short order so I honestly don't expect it to affect the SVT Cobra.
     
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    I don't think cars like the Ford GT and Cobra R mean much to the regular mustang brand. Those cars are very limited with only a few hundred produced and not meant for the masses. A true collectors car and are designed to go head to head with the high dollar Europeian models.

    The Shelby will be tested by Car and Driver type rags just like the Ford GT IMO. It will go head to head with the 100k plus market even if it doesn't quite cost that much.

    The Z06 isn't in the class of the Ford GT and GM dosen't ever have an entry in that market. It's about time we can throw it in the face of the GM guys. :rlaugh:
     
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    I think that the Shelby cobra will be faster and more expensive than the ford Gt. then the SVT Mustang cobtra would be under the ford gt
     
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    Why wouldn't they continue to call it the SVT Cobra Mustang? The Shelby Mustangs were called GT 350 and GT 500 in the past.

    I don't think that they'll make a Shelby Mustang with Saleen, Roush and others out there already. I think we'll see a production version of that Shelby Cobra roadster that was featured on Rides.
     
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    I kind of doubt that. Every indication is that Carroll is more of a marketing figure now. Am I the only one who remembers the scam he was trying to run a few years ago by making new Cobras and claiming they were real originals becuase they were made out of parts from the 60s? Carroll did some great stuff in his day but I have seen nothing that indicates he is in a real leadership postion at Ford. He is 80 years old and probalby did not have a healthy lifestyle so I doubt he will be with us much longer.

    Where did I read that the next Cobra would be aimed at the BMW M3?
     
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    I think it'll be like this.

    From 2004 to 2006
    Ford GT - 500-550hp factory rating - actual rating probably closer to 600hp.

    in 2006 as a 2007 model
    Ford SVT Cobra- 500hp. Same engine as SVT lightning which should get 500hp mill as well. Ford already said they plan to use the GT's engine in other applications and that it wasn't developed for GT alone. SVT Cobra and L are prime candidates.

    Shelby Cobra- Probably same engine as concept (6.4L 605hp v10)- should come on as GT replacement. 605hp would give the shelby breathing space while allowing Cobra and L to be bumbed to 500hp. This shelby will probably be a Corvette bluedevil and Hemi Viper fighter (both rumored to have 600+).
     
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    This is some parts i'm quoting from the recent C&D mag.

     
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    There are rumors that the 2006 SVT Cobra (Mustang) will get a version of the 5.4L SC engine in the GT. It will supposedly have around 500 HP. I don't remember the exact quote, but John Colletti said something link this:

    The rumor mill says the 5.4L SC GT engine puts out about 530 HP, not the 550+ that some people have claimed. There also is a rumor that at the end of its productin, Ford will build a limited number of Ford GT's with the 6.4L V10 from the Shelby Cobra concept car.
     
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    Yeah. That is what I was thinking of. An M3 Coupe starts at $47K so I would not mind that kind of performance if I could get it for a lot less. Hell, at the mid $20s the Mustang is almost as powerful.
     
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    The current M3 are a little slower than an LS1 Camaro, The next M3 (called M4) is rumored to get a 380HP V8. I don't think the SVT Mustang Cobra will have any problems against that cars

    I wouldn't under estimate GM, the 2006 Z06 will be 500HP and close to 3000lbs. That is 300lbs. lighter than the Ford GT and will be $80,000+ cheaper.
     
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    That's where the new V10 Shelby Cobra comes in. As J Mays said: "The reason for the Cobra (then - 1960's and now) has always been to spoil the Corvette's party."
     
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    I like how you make the vette that weights around 3250lbs at it present weight come out to 3000 lbs so you can say 300 lbs lighter instead of 50 lbs :rlaugh: The same rumors existed that the 05 Mustang would be lighter than the present one but we see how that happened. Fact is Chevy made the vette about as light as it's going to be IMO and pass federal safety laws.

    The Ford GT is being built in 04 not 06 and all engines will advance IMO. Unlike the Vette the Ford GT is a very limited production car and is more in the collector car class and a test platform for Ford than a common production run. It's been beating cars costing much more than it's price and is in a class that chevys isn't. Very few cars in the world produce it's power and handles with the best of the world class cars for the price :flag:
     
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    The current Z06 is 3118lbs., so if it drops 50-75lbs. like the regular C6, that will put it at just over 3000lbs. Plus the next Z06 is getting aluminum frame rails, the base C6 has steel ones. The Ford GT will be over 3300lbs. That is closer to 300lbs. than 50lbs. by my math

    The Ford GT will be in late 2004 and the next Z06 in summer 2005. Even if a sub $60,000 Z06 is as fast as the $140,000 Ford GT, I would still consider the Ford GT a good deal since it will be kicking Italian cars asses that cost twice as much, and that is what it was built for.
     
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