Need help quick!

Kensgt

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Ok, my 87 is missing and I believe I have narrowed it down to the timing, unless it is the spark plugs but it has plugs I know nothing about, Boush Platinum 4's, has the 4 electrodes on top, no idea how to check gap on these, but they look like new though and the distributor and cap looks good as is the wires. Anyway, I need to know if it is ok to change the timing without a timing light. I just want to change it and see if the miss goes away, besides I need to get this resolved now as I can't wait to get a ride to a parts place for a timing light. I don't have one and it is missing too much for me to chance driving it down the road far.
 
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Do not change the timing without a timing light!

Changing the timing will not solve your ignition misfire problems.

Isolate the misfiring cylinders by doing a cylinder balance test. Get the codes stored in the computer while you are at it.

Cylinder balance test:
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a
jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start
the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then
quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed
2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about
1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each
injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors,
it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder
such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to
2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures.
Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is
weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop
manual for the complete test procedure

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer
even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check
engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing
test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical

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If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.

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The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Do a compression test on all the cylinders.
Take special note of any cylinder that shows up as weak in the cylinder
balance test. Low compression on one of these cylinders rules out the
injectors as being the most likely cause of the problem. Look at cylinders
that fail the cylinder balance test but have good compression. These
cylinders either have a bad injector, bad spark plug or spark plug wire.
Move the wire and then the spark plug to another cylinder and run the
cylinder balance test again. If it follows the moved wire or spark plug,
you have found the problem. If the same cylinder fails the test again,
the injector is bad. If different cylinders fail the cylinder balance test,
you have ignition problems or wiring problems in the 10 pin black &
white electrical connectors located by the EGR.

How to do a compression test:
Only use a compression tester with a screw in adapter for the spark
plug hole. The other type leaks too much to get an accurate reading.
Your local auto parts store may have a compression tester to rent.
If you do mechanic work on your own car on a regular basis, it would
be a good tool to add to your collection.

With the engine warmed up, remove all spark plugs and prop the
throttle wide open, crank the engine until it the gage reading stops
increasing. On a cold engine, it will be hard to tell what's good &
what's not. Some of the recent posts have numbers ranging from
140-170 psi. If the compression is low, squirt some oil in the cylinder
and do it again – if it comes up, the rings are worn. There should be
no more than 10% difference between cylinders. Use a blow down
leak test (puts compressed air inside cylinders) on cylinders that
have more than 10% difference.

See the link to my site for details on how to build your own blow
down type compression tester.
 
Sounds like you have more then a timing issue. The reason I say that, is because when I had a timing problem, I was still able to drive the thing normally. It was only when I was mashing on the pedal and the engine was reaching the upper rpms that I would notice my car would stutter and pop. Anyway, turns out it was my timing.

Also, make sure your wires aren't arcing on your exhaust manifolds/headers. This also produced the same symptoms (popping/stuttering) for me as well. :nice:
 
are you sure the wires are ok?? I had similar problem few yrs ago.
Fill up a spray bottle with water and mist all the plug wires (at night better) see if you see any arching. When I had problems with my car I checked all the wires and found a slight arching on #3 and that was enough to drive me nuts
 
Have you double checked your firing order?

I know it may be a dumb suggestion, but easiest things to check are what your not thinking about.

From front to back on the passenger side is 1,2,3,4
and drivers side 5,6,7,8

Firing order starting on the distributor #1 going counter Clockwise is 1,3,7,2,6,5,4,8

Make sure to check that out first. If thats not right, you can't test anything!.

Good Luck, I hate misfires!