No Fuel Pump Priming After Maf Conversion

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Hi all finished up a maf conversion a little while back. Came out good using a9p computer 75mm tab and 24 lb injectors. Car started right up. Still had stock fuel pump. Car ran ok until you got on it especially at higher speeds then I got hesitations bucking and sputtering. Didn't really look into it because I since put trickflow heads f303 cam and trickflow intake on. Still has stock fuel pump and regulator. After that install car started up I got it running ok playing with timing and a couple of test drives later no fuel pump prime. I still hear the fuel pump relay clicking when I turn the key. Was my fuel pump to small for all the new parts and bigger injectors and did I burn it up you think? Please let me know what else I can look at. Thanks all
 
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On behalf of jrichker

Also search function works wonders :p
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/threads/24lb-injector-with-stock-fuel-pump.701120/

Wrong answer: 24lb injectors need a 112 LPH pump.

Copied from the 2007 Ford Racing Performance Catalog.

PROPERLY SIZING FUEL SYSTEM COMPONENTS

Fuel Pumps:
The following information is presented assuming the above information has been taken into consideration regarding BSFC, fuel pressure and specific gravity of the fuel being used. Most fuel pumps for electronic fuel injection are rated for fl ow at 12 volts @ 40 psi. Most vehicle charging systems operate anywhere from 13.2v to 14.4v. The more voltage you feed a pump, the faster it spins which, obviously, will put out more fuel. Rating a fuel pump at 12 volts then, should offer a fairlyconservative fuel fl ow rating allowing you to safely determine the pump’s ability to supply an adequate amount of fuel for a particular application.

As previously mentioned, engines actually require a certain WEIGHT of fuel, NOT a certain VOLUME of fuel per horsepower. This can offer a bit of confusion since most fuel pumps are rated by volume, and not by weight. To determine the proper fuel pump required, a few mathematical conversions will need to be performed using the following information. There are 3.785 liters in 1 US Gallon. 1 gallon of gasoline (.72 specifi c gravity @ 65° F) weighs 6.009 LBS.

To be certain that the fuel pump is not run to its very limit, which could potentially be dangerous to the engine, multiply the final output of the fuel pump by 0.9 to determine the capacity of the fuel pump at 90% output. This should offer plenty of ‘cushion’ as to the overall “horsepower capacity” of the fuel pump.

To determine the overall capacity of a fuel pump rated in liters, use the additional following conversions:
(Liters per Hour) / 3.785 = Gallons
Multiply by 6.009 = LBS/HR
Multiply by 0.9 = Capacity at 90%
Divide by BSFC = Horsepower Capacity

So for a 110 LPH fuel pump:
110 / 3.785 = 29.06 Gallons
29.06 x 6.009 = 174.62 LBS/HR
174.62 x 0.9 = 157 LBS/HR @ 90% Capacity
157 / 0.5 = 314 HP safe naturally aspirated “Horsepower Capacity”

Safe “Horsepower Capacity” @ 40 psi with 12 Volts
60 Liter Pump = 95 LB/HR X .9 = 86 LB/HR, Safe for 170 naturally aspirated Horsepower
88 Liter Pump = 140 LB/HR X .9 = 126 LB/HR, Safe for 250 naturally aspirated Horsepower
110 Liter Pump = 175 LB/HR X .9 = 157 LB/HR, Safe for 315 naturally aspirated Horsepower
155 Liter Pump = 246 LB/HR X .9 = 221 LB/HR, Safe for 440 naturally aspirated Horsepower
190 Liter Pump = 302 LB/HR X .9 = 271 LB/HR, Safe for 540 naturally aspirated Horsepower
255 Liter Pump = 405 LB/HR X .9 = 364 LB/HR, Safe for 700 naturally aspirated Horsepower

Note: For forced induction engines, the above power levels will be reduced because as the pressure required by the pump increases, the flow decreases. In order to do proper fuel pump sizing, a fuel pump map is required, which shows flow rate versus delivery pressure. That is, a 255 liter per hour pump at 40 psi may only supply 200 liters per hour at 58 psi (40 psi plus 18 lbs of boost). Additionally, if you use a fuel line that is not large enough, this can result in decreased fuel volume due to the pressure drop across the fuel feed line: 255 LPH at the pump may only result in 225 LPH at the fuel rail. End Quote


Injector HP ratings: divide flow rating by.5 and multiply the result by the number of injectors. This uses a 100% duty cycle. These ratings are for naturally aspirated engines.

Example:
19/.5 = 38, 38 x 8 = 304 HP
24/.5 = 48, 48 x 8 = 384 HP
30/.5 = 60, 60 x 8 = 480 HP

The preferred duty cycle is about 85% maximum, so for a safety factor multiply the final figure times .85.

304 HP x .85 = 258 HP
385 HP x .85 = 326 HP
480 HP x .85 = 408 HP

Remember that the above ratings are at 39 PSI. Increasing the pressure will effectively increase the flow rating. Example: a 19 lb injector will flow 24 lbs at 63 PSI, and a 24 lb injector will flow 30 lbs at 63 PSI.

See http://users.erols.com/srweiss/ to get the calculators used in these examples.
 
Stock Fuel pump is 88LPH, while the post above states 24lb needs at least 112LPH. I would just get a 155 or a 255, while running a FPR.

I am not sure how the Edelbrock ones are, but I wouldn't see why it would be a lower grade, anyway, Advance Auto Parts has a 155LPH for $100. Find a coupon code and get it even cheaper, if that is the route you decide to go.

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_high-performance-in-tank;-fuel-pump-edelbrock_22342760-p?navigationPath=L1*14932|L2*14986|L3*15378

LateModelRestoration has a Walrbo 155 for $90. Use our discount code for an addition 5% off.
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/Product/Search?q=Fuel Pump&vehicle=1979-93-Mustang

or 255
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com...ng-Walbro-255-Lhp-High-Pressure-Fuel-Pump-Kit