NOS, Turbo, Supercharger???

Discussion in '1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-' started by Engage47, Dec 15, 2005.

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Which major power adder do you prefer???

  1. NOS

    8.3%
  2. Turbo(s)

    41.7%
  3. supercharger

    50.0%
  1. OxMox

    OxMox turkeysammichesonhisface

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    :nonono: not little peeshooter turbos. Buick GNX is ok when it's been modded a little... they can grow some balls, but pretty much any other american turbo car (pt cruiser, neon, even some of the svo's are kind sh1tty)

    but what i was talking about was if i had to chose between the two, for creating some decent daily driven power on an american muscle car i would go with a supercharger... not a turbo. IMO :nice:
     
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  2. OxMox

    OxMox turkeysammichesonhisface

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    www.tmaturbo.com

    :nice: nothing but turbo V6 stangs. I know alot about turbos on stangs, cause before I got rid of my v6 i was going to go with a turbo set-up on it... but after reading in other forums how some people were having problems with them, i decided against it.

    Turbos are superior to superchargers in almost everyway IMO, BUT... if they're not done right they can and will fu<k up your engine something awefull, justlike any other means of F/I
     
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    Yeah i was trying to contact HP about doing a V6 twin setup but never heard back, unfortunately for me because at the time i actually had the wifes ok on both for the HP stage 2 but since i couldn't get a hold of them and that little expense of tuition it fell through. its a true shame with the low boost numbers that are being put out by those setups:nonono: :nonono: :nonono:
     
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    I know about TMA's kits, I was saying there is no twin turbo kit.
    Boost can be adjusted on turbos by a adjustable BOV or boost controller. Superchargers need a new pully.

    But I like having my eyes slammed into my seat compared to picking up force pushing me into my seat.
     
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    Engage47 Banned

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    im right there with you on the slammed affect from the turbo's, i just like bigger turbo setups with low boost (back pressure) lower boost with bigger turbo's beast high boost and smaller turbos with engine safety and longevity it might be more expensive for a pair of bigger turbo's but feels real nice knowing to go the extra power if need be
     
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    OxMox turkeysammichesonhisface

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    they have a TT set-up... so does a few other company's, but there very VERY expensive 8k$ +
     
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    Eh, what's $8k :shrug:
     
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    i think you ment buicks are RWD

    Cent blowers do not make near full boost throughout the range. they are RPM dependant and reach near max boost or max boost close to redline. i have one so please don't try to argue that point.

    no supercharger has surpassed the efficiency of a proper turbo. it is impossible to do. at full boost an autorotor on a cobra takes 60hp to make that boost a turbo takes no HP to make boost as it is dependant on exhaust flow actually a proper sized turbo or blower will not fall off on numbers as they make more boost in higher revs than a positive displacement blower which is known to fall off on top

    where are you getting your info at? mine is from build a few buick turbo's back in the day which respond identical to our 3.8's when turbo'd. basically because the ford 3.8 is a modified copy of the buick stage 1 engine. whatever works on a buick for turbocharging will make power the same way on the ford but the ford will make a little better power than the buick given identical setups are used
     
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    i'm gonna take a stab and say you have never driven a PT Cruiser GT or SRT-4.

    they are little animals and very hard to control off the line. they have more nutz down low than just about anything. virtually no lag is present. SVO's are a real good building point as are XR4Ti's. again not much lag and very good grunt.

    the GNX already had balls and is pretty much fine stock as is an 86/87 turbo T or GN or 89 turbo Trans AM

    Turbo's are the best power option out there and are no more tricky to tune than any other poweradder
     
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    Okay... im sorry to everyone i offended... i was just messin around... not tryin to start some serious ownage... plus pputkowski and integraholic aren't on here to back me up.



    You are married and still use dickwad?
     
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    maried only week and a half :shrug: and still in that thing called junior college :D :nice: so with that in mind dickwad still works, besides would you rather i had used poopyhead cause that was my first choice?? it just rings of post adolesence attitude :jester: <rockin hat wish i had one id be the talk of the phsyc ward.
     
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    So I was reading this thread late one night, or early in ght morning depending on how you look at it, and this rediculous fight broke out.


    I'd like to change my vote by the way, from turbo to super, on a DD, super has much better maners and that is why they are used so much more than a turbo from a manufacturer stand point.
     
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    Not only that, but turbos do not pass smog tests in cali. Alot of the supercharger kits have CARB numbers, so they are 50 state legal. Wouldn't be suprised if Harris County (Houston) did that in Texas, kinda one reason I look at a supercharger for my car.
     
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    All i know is after i saw the numbers that HP performance TT kits were putting down i just gotta have one
     
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    really.

    just how many manufacturers use turbo's and how many use superchargers



    Hmmmm.

    turbo's
    Subaru
    Mitsu
    Volvo
    Saab
    Chrysler
    VW
    Audi
    Porsche
    BMW

    Superchargers
    GM
    Diamler Chrysler
    Jaguar

    not to mention every Diesel truck in the US is turbocharged not supercharged. and please don't say diesels are not good for supercharger use
     
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    wHAT ABOUT THE ladies,????? Where they @ ?????
     
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    wtf?
     
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  18. silver_sn95_v6

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    superchargers actually originated from diesels. As to the manufacturers of supercharged cars, you forgot Ford, lets not forget the Lightning and Cobras from '04 and '03. chryslers turbos self immolated after a while, and they dont make a turbo car anymore. mercedes does however have sueprcharged cars and turbo cars, and since they're part of one big happy family now, we'll mark them as indecisive. One car i want to point out that does utilize a supercharger WITH a honda motor, is the Ariel Atom. It's a crazy little machine, and with the upercharger kit it will go 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, with a blower on top of a motor from a Civic type-R. It really depends on your application. Big power...go turbo. Smoother torque band... go supercharged. (btw, drove an evo9 with a turbo today, and it was anything but a smooth torque band. at 3,000 when the turbo kicks in, it's such a sudden onslaught of power it's enough to make a grown man giggl like a little girl, the firt time you hit it it scares the hell out of you)
     
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    actually superchargers originated before WWII for aircraft fighter use. but also found a home on Detroit diesels hence the 653/853/471/671/871/692/892 blowers used on detroits. the V6 71 cubic inches/cylinder 2 stroke Detroit used the 671 blower. the 16V92 blower is huge and used on big equipment. they also used blowers and turbo's on the same engine. my old GMC brigider had a 6V92 silver series with the huge 692 blower and a huge Switzer turbo. the blower was for down low and the turbo was for higher in revs. that truck was a single axle dump and would slam you in the seat empty. talk about power

    Turbo's were developed by the germans as a way to introduce fuel/air mix faster to give rockets more thrust.

    Chryslers still have a turbo in the lineup the PT cruiser in 2 levels 180hp and 230hp versions. dodge cummins turbo and liberty CRD turbo diesel. they have only 1 supercharged car the SRT-6 Crossfire basically a Mercedes 320SLK Compressor

    ford currently does not have a supercharged car in the lineup but they still have the Powerstroke turbo diesel. Jaguar and Astin Martin divisions of ford uses supercharging but their volvo division uses turbo's and their european and australian market fords use turbo's mostly. Land Rover uses supercharging
    the rest of the worlds manufacturers use turbo's beacuse they make the best power and fuel efficiency compared to parasitic superchargers

    the mitsu Evo isn't a good example of manners. it wasn't meant for that neither was the STI subie. they have gobs of harsh torque on tap ready to be unleashed and keep coming even when you let off. they take a while to get used to

    yes superchargers for the most part have CARB #'s for cali emissions and most turbo kits don't because they are made by smaller companies that haven't applied for a CARB # but in the rest of the 50states for the most part can have a turbo kit on a car as long as it passes emissions which is easy to do, just lean it out abit for testing
     
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    Mustang Cobra, GT500 (not in production yet or not anymore), and the Ford GT are supercharged.

    As for turbos, a Swiss guy came up with a design, but nothing was done with it. Then in the 1910's, General Electric started making turbochargers, and put one on a biplane in the 1920s. Then in 1936, Garret comes along and makes an aftercooler, so they had turbo B-17s with aftercoolers.
     
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