absolutely to all of the above. you can always take the heads to have them reworked later, but personally I think that with a custom cam and a bigger intake you are going to love the results.
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Shaolin Crane
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I use clay smith cause his entire family lives here in covina and the company is local
blackened88lx
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Call Jay Allen at Camshaft Innovations and tell him what you want. Those heads will work great ported, and with a good intake and custom solid roller the thing will drive fine and absolutely rip. I'm telling you, this is the guy to call, end of story. Don't believe all this "streetable low-end torque" bull ****. The cam is what's going to make or break the combo, and if it's done right the combo will really work. Even with big heads and a crazy intake.
Personally I would put a Super Victor EFI intake on with an elbow and 90mm throttle body. Don't listen to the 8500rpm thing, just tell Jay what you're using, and it will work. Ask him.
No offense, nothing personal, but you're living off and preaching hear-say and old wivestales. It's all bull ****. My buddy's high compression 408 with 225cc heads and a nearly .700" lift custom solid roller with a super victor intake drives fine on the street. He only spins it to 6500 and it rips off the bottom harder than you can even imagine.
Bottom line, camshaft, camshaft, camshaft. Call Jay, tell him your goals, and you will have a nasty little street motor. You have a good start to work with. That thing should make 450/450 to the tires easy.
25thmustang
Mustang Master
Just by switching cams and valve springs my brothers GT40P car went from 12.2xs consistent to a couple 11.8xs. Didn't lose a thing down low and even being that slow has more than the street can handle from stoplight to stoplight.
Keep the heads, upgrade them with the custom cam you have chosen, better intake and some small supporting mods.
Don't worry about a dyno number. If your not a track guy, don't even worry about that (although that gives a good idea of how the car will run compared to others, if your interested in that thing) just drive the car and enjoy it.
Keep the heads, upgrade them with the custom cam you have chosen, better intake and some small supporting mods.
Don't worry about a dyno number. If your not a track guy, don't even worry about that (although that gives a good idea of how the car will run compared to others, if your interested in that thing) just drive the car and enjoy it.
Listen, just cause you picked your intake cause it looks red and shiney(pretty sure i read that somewhere), dosent mean that he should sacrifice power. How often do you flat foot it at 3000 rpms? People have given you inteligent responses and you come back with something about new england, mabye instead of showing you my dyno sheet i should have said nice new haircut. I think you should stick to the show scene.
To be honest when i bought my heads and intake, i bought them with boost in mind, but my compression turned out to be too high, so i was worried that the big 205 head and the R-intake would kill the car under 4000rpm's, but it didnt at all, the motor is the snappiest most responsive thing ive ever driven. You were even told that intake was gonna hurt you for power, its not like someone said hey, keep that cobra intake cause its gonna be killer off idle, you chose to compromise power for looks.
WTF im not gonna waste my time after this post i had the cobra intake and valve covers powdercoated to that ****ing pretty shiny color red thats what i wanted and it turned out pretty good even rick made a comment saying that small intake made a believer out of him the numbers showed it i only chimed in on this post cause he wanted something for street without having to turn 6500rpms to make full power ive seen more than couple times changing intakes for not much gain or worse, being how good my engine turned out with my HP peaking at 5300rpms and great driveability i shared my experience .................i shouda known better from some of the bs ive read in the 5.0 tech forums in the past i gave my opinion i'll still stand by it that he should keep his intake get new heads or even port his heads not what i said originally but if he wants to keeps his heads atleast get them ported get a custom cam and a good tune this would be a good improvement with power and cost..... responses like showing me a nice new haircut instead of your dyno sheet bs..... i'll stick to the show scene u got the tech section all figured out
Mr. Rustypwnz
Advanced Member
i just port matched a vic jr and put it on my buddies fox, 35x cubes, small cam, ported world heads, from a torker II to the vic jr, WAS A HUGE ASS DIFF!! he lost no low end tq, it pulls to 6500 so fast its unbelieveable.. easily 25hp
so why would he put bigger heads with the same small ass intake? thats the dumbest **** ive heard in a while...
Notchbck93
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AFR's flow better in the mid-range moreso than than your Jr's because the Jr's are not fully CNC'd. This is why people are going nutso over recommending the AFR's.
If I was you, I would do exactly what you are planning on doing and save some coin by foregoing the heads. New cam and TFS R will wake that puppy up big time over your current 1980's technology B cam.
(optional) Get yourself a PMS and then take it to the dyno and dial it in. You can then evaluate your injector duty cycle and that will further inform you if you need a bigger injector.
If for nothing else, the 80mm maf + 36lb injectors would support a stage 2 Vic Jr. head or AFR 205's.
Stick with hydraulic...solid roller means more wrenching...maybe not such a bad thing right now, but factor in other things later and life and it will be one more thorn in your side.
Comp and trick flow both make some good grinds as well and any tech would be happy to help you choose the right OTS cam within their respective establishments.
After reading this link below, I would even venture to say that you could probably stick with your stock 77maf and 30#'s for now.
http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/764730-modified-89-gt-question.html
good article read it all unless u know it all
............i know magazines are liars too .......i dont mind trading 25rwhp for 25rwt especially down mid to low end for a street ride. Articles right on the money my stang is proof i go out almost everyday to enjoy it without going over 5500 rpms something thats gonna keep my stock block and hyd roller valve train around for a long time
Super Intake Shootout - Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords
............i know magazines are liars too .......i dont mind trading 25rwhp for 25rwt especially down mid to low end for a street ride. Articles right on the money my stang is proof i go out almost everyday to enjoy it without going over 5500 rpms something thats gonna keep my stock block and hyd roller valve train around for a long time Super Intake Shootout - Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords
learn how to read..... ass clown nobodys puttin on bigger heads here see if u can make thru the whole article i posted the link to and find out why i like the small ass GT40 intake over vic jr intake
Mr. Rustypwnz
Advanced Member
oh sorry your awesomeness!!
you make no sense, how many 302/351's have you put together? Ive prolly only put 10 together, but guess what? every single engine picked up hp with a bigger a intake mani than a crap ass gt40 setup..
the op said he's not dd'ing the car, so why would he only want to rev the engine to 5k he has 20 more c.i. than you do, therefore requiring more cfm!! Im sure if he wanted a truck engine he would have a 460 in it...
to the o.p. get a vic jr and port match it, it WILL pull a **** load better than a gt40..
you make no sense, how many 302/351's have you put together? Ive prolly only put 10 together, but guess what? every single engine picked up hp with a bigger a intake mani than a crap ass gt40 setup..
the op said he's not dd'ing the car, so why would he only want to rev the engine to 5k he has 20 more c.i. than you do, therefore requiring more cfm!! Im sure if he wanted a truck engine he would have a 460 in it...
to the o.p. get a vic jr and port match it, it WILL pull a **** load better than a gt40..
at what rpm.............after reading what you just wrote i didnt think you would be able to read and comprehend that article or what the thread was about he didnt want big rpms
.................and in the article thier using a fully capable 347 stroker take a reading lesson read the article you might learn something ....i doubt it
Notchbck93
New Member
351 Trick Flow Intake
351 Trick flow intake vs GT-40
5L intake shootout
Rick Anderson makes a real deal about no bs being reported on the dyno numbers.
351 Trick flow intake vs GT-40
5L intake shootout
Rick Anderson makes a real deal about no bs being reported on the dyno numbers.
yeah it made 10 more hp and -5 torque seems like a good intake i know people that used it with good results, funny on the average dyno #s they show from 4900rpms to 6000rpms range not the range where a GT40 shines
Not going to read the bickering but I will say that everyone in "Five Oh Land" seems to worry about low end torque. These cars make a ton of torque and don't need "small" parts to make power/torque. Everyone wants to buy long runner intakes because they want to keep "torque". That's why the Chevy LS engines run so good, they don't make the low end but they make power where it counts.
IMO everyone seems to worry about using "big" parts on these cars. Use the big stuff and have it where it counts, just like 90lxcoupes car, perfect example.
BTW, like I said I didn't read the above posts too much because of the bickering so I'm not siding with anyone on this post, just throwing my two pennies in.
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I worded that so it made no sense, nice. Oh well, screw you guys...turbo for life.
IMO everyone seems to worry about using "big" parts on these cars. Use the big stuff and have it where it counts, just like 90lxcoupes car, perfect example.
BTW, like I said I didn't read the above posts too much because of the bickering so I'm not siding with anyone on this post, just throwing my two pennies in.
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I worded that so it made no sense, nice. Oh well, screw you guys...turbo for life.
Not going to read the bickering but I will say that everyone in "Five Oh Land" seems to worry about low end torque. These cars make a ton of torque and don't need "small" parts to make power/torque. Everyone wants to buy long runner intakes because they want to keep "torque". That's why the Chevy LS engines run so good, they don't make the low end but they make power where it counts.
IMO everyone seems to worry about using "big" parts on these cars. Use the big stuff and have it where it counts, just like 90lxcoupes car, perfect example.
BTW, like I said I didn't read the above posts too much because of the bickering so I'm not siding with anyone on this post, just throwing my two pennies in.
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I worded that so it made no sense, nice. Oh well, screw you guys...turbo for life.
u made perfect sense i not for using small parts my parts are in my sig i feel thier the right parts to scream me thru the rpms, i just dont mind giving up a little hp on top to get more torque especially all thru the rpms. My stang pulls like a 408ci and in the end i still ended up with pretty big #s on the dyno with some say small parts
blackened88lx
Active Member
You're not too far away. Why don't we meet up with our wallets and put that gt40 to the test? Stock 302 with an ots hyd. roller.. But my intake might be too big....
It just further proves that you have no idea what's going on by the fact that you do your learning and choose your parts by reading magazines.
Exactly
My stang pulls like a 408ci and in the end i still ended up with pretty big #s on the dyno with some say small parts
25thmustang
Mustang Master
Dyno numbers... I know a few cars that look slow on the dyno, not so slow in the real world.
Must be that new england air
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