Question on the Hooker 351w swap headers

[Gael]

Ok, I know at least one person has used them, however, they were extensively modified, but has anyone else? I finally got my engine and all out of my car, and I just layed the headers in the engine bay just to get a feel of how it would be.

And holy cow, I don't think even cutting the fender wells will solve this problem. The headers are Part # 6163HKR.

Footnotes are:
7) This header requires Ford motor mounts #D7ZZ-60038A & B and Ford transmission mount #C8ZZ-6068A.

8) Installation on manual transmission equipped cars requires a Hooker clutch linkage pivot bracket #10942.
Also needed are one stock Pinto clutch cable assembly, one link Ford #S1FZ-2861-AJ and one adjustable clutch
rod Ford #DOT2-7521-C.

27) Two tubes over frame on each side.

44) Will not fit with C-6 transmission.

49) Will fit Dart/Windsor head.

So basically, I'm wondering, has anyone done this, and what did they do to get it to fit? From looking at it, it seems like there's no way you could get into it, it looks like you'd have to get into the frame. I'd really appreciate any information you can give me. I'm at a wall as to what I can do.

 

[Gael]

Hmm, I almost wonder if I bought the wrong kind of headers. Does anyone have pictures of the 6163, 6161, and 6160 headers? I don't see how these 6163's are supposed to fit, they're huge.

I have:

1974-80: 351W 6163HKR 6163-1HKR 1-5/8x38 3 10 SAP
http://store.summitracing.com/partd...applid={6E0EF24B-BEB4-4FC2-B409-D6847DB28BF4}

Other options are:

1974-80 289-302 6161HKR *6161-1HKR 1-5/8x38 3 10 SAP
http://store.summitracing.com/partd...applid={6E0EF24B-BEB4-4FC2-B409-D6847DB28BF4}

1971-73 289-302 6160HKR *6160-1HKR 1-5/8x42 2-1/2 8 SAP
http://store.summitracing.com/partd...applid={6E0EF24B-BEB4-4FC2-B409-D6847DB28BF4}


http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/ES/ESHHSCH/EngSwap.html#Ford

 

[danimaltheanima]

good luck

Hey there guy. I'll tell you a lil horror story about when I tried to get headers for my 302. When I bought the car I had headers on it but I wanted new hot coated ones. I ordered mine just like you did from Summit. First ones I got were Hooker. They had told me they were for my 78 w/302. Not a chance. I sent them back. Then I ordered heddman. Also from Summit once again. Not a friggin chance they were gonna fit. Sent them back. Then I went with Flow Tech. Once again after sending my first two tries back. Not a chance. Summit told me all three of these would fit and were made for my car. They even had to special order the ones I did get. After three tries and being put on back order for special ordering it took me over a year. Finally I gave up. I cleaned up my old ones sprayed them with high temp silicone paint and Fiberglass wrapped them. So GOOD LUCK!

I had actually heard that you can only fit an exhaust manifold if you run a 351 or a 400. But thats just what I heard. I'm sure there is some guys out there that have hacked things apart and with a lot of welding made something fit.

Dan

 

[a351Must2]

I first intalled my set in my '74 with basic wrenches/sockets plus a dremel and a floor jack...and the engine still in the car. I had it a little easier in the '74 since it had a C4 auto and manual brakes. Everything fit "OK" considering the minimal tools I had. ~18 hours of actual time spent in the garage on a weekend and a couple 12-packs of beer shared with the buddy supplying the garage space.

Yours look like this:
http://home1.gte.net/res03net/faqs/headers351/headerfa.htm
right?

I didn't have mine significantly modified until I moved them to my '78 with power brakes and the Tremec 3550 + SROD bellhousing.

 

[Gael]

Yep I definately have the same headers as you.

Picture 1

Picture 2

I really don't see how I plan to get these to fit, I may end up using my 302 headers till I can get these 351's to fit. Sounds like I may end up having them customized.

 

[Gael]

a351must2, I was cruising your site some more, and do 2 tubes go around the fenderwells? This is why I'm asking (pic)

 

[a351Must2]

yes, two tubes on each side stay in the engine compartment and the other two tubes go through the fenderwells. The huge hole on my passenger side was there from removing what little was left of the battery box after 20 years and at least one exploding battery.

Here's a fenderwell shot, but this is after the shop modified them for my '78 T-Top.
http://www.a351must2.atfreeweb.com/78TTop/temp1/IMAGE008a.jpg