Fox T5 Won't Go Into Gear While Running

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Hey everybody, this is my first post here, although I've found helpful stuff on here since I got my first mustang about a month ago.

I recently acquired a 93 n/a 2.3 5speed, nothin fancy. However 1st grinded pretty bad and 2nd was almost impossible to find, had to slam it to get it in. But it was drivable.

So anyway, I found a wc T5 out a 85-86 svo code 114. I installed it last night, left the bellhousbig on the engine, just took the trans out and installed the new one. When we were putting the new on in we bonked the throw out bearing out of the fork, but we put it back, didn't think anything of it really.

But now if the cars on you cant get into any gear, if I start it in gear, clutch pushed in, it will roll forward slowly and I can't take it out of gear. I tried adjusting the clutch cable at the fork a lot and it made no difference. Clutch pedal feels as it did with the old trans.

Obviously something is going on with my clutch just not really sure what to look for when I take it back out. Maybe the fork got out of place a little when we put the throw out back in?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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I'm going to think the clutch fork works the same inside the bell housing on a 2.3 and my 5.0, it maybe unhooked from the pivot ball, see if the fork moves around by hand like up and down.
I don't know how compatible t5's are from 5.0's and 2.3's. Maybe a miss match.
Maybe not a pivot ball issue if peddle works the same.
 
Hey everybody, this is my first post here, although I've found helpful stuff on here since I got my first mustang about a month ago.

I recently acquired a 93 n/a 2.3 5speed, nothin fancy. However 1st grinded pretty bad and 2nd was almost impossible to find, had to slam it to get it in. But it was drivable.

So anyway, I found a wc T5 out a 85-86 svo code 114. I installed it last night, left the bellhousbig on the engine, just took the trans out and installed the new one. When we were putting the new on in we bonked the throw out bearing out of the fork, but we put it back, didn't think anything of it really.

But now if the cars on you cant get into any gear, if I start it in gear, clutch pushed in, it will roll forward slowly and I can't take it out of gear. I tried adjusting the clutch cable at the fork a lot and it made no difference. Clutch pedal feels as it did with the old trans.

Obviously something is going on with my clutch just not really sure what to look for when I take it back out. Maybe the fork got out of place a little when we put the throw out back in?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
Clutch Adjustment for stock and aftermarket setups
Revised 28-Apr-2016 to include need for longer cable with single hook quadrant

Clutch adjustment
Do the clutch adjustment first before considering any other problems. With the stock plastic quadrant and cable, pull up on the clutch pedal until it comes upward toward you. It will make a ratcheting sound as the self adjuster works. To release to tension of the stock quadrant, use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet paw up and out of engagement with the quadrant teeth.

Binding clutch cable
A binding clutch cable will make the clutch very stiff. If the cable is misrouted or has gotten too close to the exhaust, it will definitely bind. The binding common to adjustable cables is often due to misplacement of the adjusting nuts on the fork end of the cable. This will also cause the cable to wear and fray. Both nuts should be on the back side of the fork so that the domed nut faces the fork and the other nut serves as jam or locknut to the domed nut.

Clutch pedal adjustment
Clutch pedal adjustment with aftermarket quadrant and cable: I like to have the clutch completely disengaged and still have about 1.5” travel left before the pedal hits the floor. This means that I have only about 1” of free play at the top before the pedal starts to disengage the clutch. Keep in mind that these figures are all approximate. When properly adjusted, there will not be any slack in the clutch cable. You will have 4-15 lbs preload on the clutch cable. With a non adjustable cable and a firewall adjuster, the cable needs to go in the second hook of the quadrant. Single hook quadrants used with a firewall adjuster may make the clutch too tight, causing it to slip. The possible exception to this is the Maximum Motorsports cable which is a bit longer to make it work with a single hook quadrant.

Adjustable clutch cable tips:
Loosening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the rear of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the floor.

Tightening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the front of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the top of the pedal.

Firewall adjuster tips
Turning the firewall adjuster IN makes the engagement point closer to the floor since it loosens the cable. You have to push the pedal to the floor to disengage the clutch. Too loose a cable and the clutch won't completely disengage and shifting will be difficult. Gears will grind and you may have difficulty getting the transmission in first gear when stopped.

Turning the firewall adjuster OUT makes the engagement point farther from the floor since it tightens the cable. You push a short distance to disengage the clutch. Too tight a cable will cause clutch slippage.

Aftermarket solutions to the problem:
The quadrant needs to be replaced if you use any type of aftermarket cable or adjuster. My preference is a Ford Racing quadrant, adjustable cable and Steeda firewall adjuster. The adjustable Ford Racing cable is just as good as the stock OEM cable. It allows a greater range of adjustment than a stock cable with a aftermarket quadrant and firewall adjuster. Combined with the Steeda adjuster, it lets you set the initial cable preload and then fine tune the clutch engagement point to your liking without getting under the car.

Using a stock OEM cable, firewall adjuster and a single hook quadrant may result in not having any free pedal travel before the clutch starts to disengage. I found this out the hard way.

See Summit Racing - High Performance Car and Truck Parts l 800-230-3030 for the following parts.

Ford Racing M-7553-B302 - Ford Racing V-8 Mustang Adjustable Clutch Linkage Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com Cable and quadrant assembly $90

The Ford Racing Adjustable cable is available as a separate part:
Clutch Cable, Adjustable, Ford, Mercury, 5.0L, Kit FMS-M-7553-C302_HE_xl.jpg

[url=http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDA-555-7021/]Steeda Autosports 555-7021 - Steeda Autosports Firewall Cable Adjusters - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Steeda firewall adjuster. $40

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http://www.steeda.com/images/watermarked/1/detailed/7/ford-racing-mustang-v8-and-v6-topside-clutch-adjuster-79-04-161-m-7554-a.jpg

Fix for the quadrant end of the cable popping out of the quadrant when installing a replacement cable courtesy of Grabbin' Asphalt
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Help for those who have replaced the clutch assembly and are still having problems with adjustment:
The next step doesn't make much sense it you already have the transmission installed, but just for sake of discussion, here it is:
The throwout bearing sits in the clutch fork arm with the wave springs pressing on the rear flange of the throwout bearing.
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Major differences between the distance between the flywheel surface and the clutch fingers may require tinkering with the clutch fork pivot ball. Stack your old pressure plate, clutch disc and flywheel up like they were when installed in the car. Tighten down all the pressure plate bolts and measure the distance between the clutch fingertips and the flywheel face.
Too much thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far back to get the clutch cable on the quadrant. It may even sit against the rear or the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm. In that case, reduce the pivot ball height.
Too little thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far forward and bottom out against the front side of the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm.. This will prevent the clutch from fully disengaging.
In other words, the clutch fork arm should sit positioned midway or a little towards the rear in the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm when the cable is properly tensioned.[/url]
 
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thanks guys, I've talked to a few people and everyone thinks we probably didn't put the throw out bearing back in place correctly. hopefully I'll have time to pull the trans again this week
 
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so I finally got around to working on the Mustang again the other day, so I figured I'd update incase anyone else runs into this problem.

Turns out one of the spring clips holding the clutch fork onto the pivot ball was bent and causing the fork to twist slightly and not disengage the clutch fully. It took a good minute of starring at it to figure it out and even then it seemed almost insignificant, but we couldn't see anything else wrong and put it back together.

First start it still didn't want to go in gear, then we adjusted the clutch and again and it still didn't work. Then I started it holding down the clutch but with it in first, and then it worked fine. I drove it around and it went through all the gears just fine. The svo gearing is a nice slight upgrade for the NA 2.3 too. cheers
 
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