Testing The Egr System Without A Vacuum Pump.

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Hey guys, I have made my way through the surging idle checklist as well as had an EGR code consistently turn up. When I first got the code, I cleaned the EGR and replaced it with a new gasket and it was good for a bit so I don't think its that valve, I believe it is either the vacuum solenoid or the sensor. I can't afford a vacuum pump right now but was able to discover that there is vacuum coming from the line that goes from the intake manifold to the EGR vacuum solenoid (or is the TAD or TAB that the correct term?), but no vacuum from the line coming from that same solenoid to the EGR valve. Could this confirm that the TAD or vacuum solenoid that diverts air to the EGR is faulty? There should be no vacuum at idle there but should be under throttle right ? And does anyone know what the resistance should be on the EGR sensor so I can test that and if that is okay than can assume its the vacuum solenoid?

On another related note, I have multiple vacuum lines not hooked up, there is a vacuum tree below the TAB I am talking about, 2 solenoids by the look of it and they are not hooked up or functioning as well as my purge valve solenoid. I wanted to hook all vacuum lines back up but I found multiple vacuum diagrams on here and it was hard to tell which one is correct and how to hook it all back up.

Any help would be great, been trying to pin point this for some time now with intermittent fixes that I guess are coincidence. I have cleaned and applied dielectric grease to the salt and pepper shakers, cleaned and re-set the TPS, cleaned the IAC, cleaned and replaced the gasket on the EGR but am still getting code 31.
 
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Ok, I'm only mildly confused, as I usually am, pics of vac lines or location would help, also if you started a thead on your car problems maybe stick to that thread so guys like me that are confused came give you really bad advice but look good doing it.
Are any of those lines pulling vacuum?
 
Ok, I'm only mildly confused, as I usually am, pics of vac lines or location would help, also if you started a thead on your car problems maybe stick to that thread so guys like me that are confused came give you really bad advice but look good doing it.
Are any of those lines pulling vacuum?

None of the lines below the TAB are pulling vacuum but non are hooked up or plugged. My main issue I am onto now is an exhaust leak that is causing the cab to wreak of fumes and the oil I am burning. Although I very much want to get the idle even too, frustrating when you can't afford $50 bucks here or $50 bucks there for tools or parts that would make the whole diagnosing and fixing process much easier.
 
It doesn't take much vacuum to open that valve. You can put a vac line on the port, and then suck with your mouth to open it up. Then fold and pinch the line to hold it.

Here are the EGR codes

31 - EGR Valve Position/Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Below Minimum Voltage. 0.24 volts (O,CM,R)
32 - EGR Valve Position/Pressure Feedback EGR Voltage Below Closed Voltage. 0.24 volts (O,CM,R)
33 - EGR Valve Opening Not Detected (CM,R)
34 - EGR Valve Position/Pressure Feedback EGR Voltage Above Closed Limit (O,R), PFE or EVP circuit has intermittently failed above the closed limit of 0.67 volts (CM)
35 - EGR Valve Position/EGR Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Above Maximum Voltage of 4.81 volts (O,R), PFE or EVP circuit has intermittently failed above the maximum limit of 4.81 volts (CM)

Is code 31 the only one you are getting?

This may help
http://www.sbftech.com/index.php?topic=30189.0
 
It doesn't take much vacuum to open that valve. You can put a vac line on the port, and then suck with your mouth to open it up. Then fold and pinch the line to hold it.

Here are the EGR codes

31 - EGR Valve Position/Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Below Minimum Voltage. 0.24 volts (O,CM,R)
32 - EGR Valve Position/Pressure Feedback EGR Voltage Below Closed Voltage. 0.24 volts (O,CM,R)
33 - EGR Valve Opening Not Detected (CM,R)
34 - EGR Valve Position/Pressure Feedback EGR Voltage Above Closed Limit (O,R), PFE or EVP circuit has intermittently failed above the closed limit of 0.67 volts (CM)
35 - EGR Valve Position/EGR Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Above Maximum Voltage of 4.81 volts (O,R), PFE or EVP circuit has intermittently failed above the maximum limit of 4.81 volts (CM)

Is code 31 the only one you are getting?

This may help
http://www.sbftech.com/index.php?topic=30189.0

Thanks for the link, one of the best diagnosing instructions I have read yet, going to go check it out after lunch! And no, I have other codes but none that relate to my EGR system other than 31.

Cheers.
 
Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

EGR System theory and testing

Revised 29-Sep-2013 to add code definitions for EGR sensor and EVR regulator.

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions. It does this by reducing the amount of air/fuel mixture that gets burned in the combustion process. Less air from the intake system means less air to mx with the fuel, so the computer leans out the fuel delivery calculations to balance things out. This reduces combustion temperature, and the creation of NOx gases. The reduced combustion temp reduces the tendency to ping.

The computer shuts down the EGR system when it detects WOT (Wide Open Throttle), so the effect on full throttle performance is too small to have any measurable negative effects.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

The resistor packs used to fool the computer into turning off the CEL (Check Engine Light) off are a bad idea. All they really do is mess up the data the computer uses to calculate the correct air/fuel mixture. You can easily create problems that are difficult to pin down and fix.

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Troubleshooting:
There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)
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The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt. A defective or missing sensor will set codes 31 (EVP circuit below minimum voltage) or 32 ( EGR voltage below closed limit).

The EVR regulates vacuum to the EGR valve to maintain the correct amount of vacuum. The solenoid coil should measure 20-70 Ohms resistance. The regulator has a vacuum feed on the bottom which draws from the intake manifold. The other vacuum line is regulated vacuum going to the EGR valve. One side of the EVR electrical circuit is +12 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the run position. The other side of the electrical circuit is the ground path and is controlled by the computer. The computer switches the ground on and off to control the regulator solenoid. A defective EVR will set codes 33 (insufficient flow detected), 84 (EGR Vacuum Regulator failure – Broken vacuum lines, no +12 volts, regulator coil open circuit, missing EGR vacuum regulator.)


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

To check the EGR valve:
Bring the engine to normal temp.

Connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve or see the EGR test jig drawing below. Connnect the test jig or to directly to manifold vacuum.

Do not connect the EGR test jig to the EVR (Electronic Vacuum Regulator).


Apply 5in vacuum to the valve. Using the test jig, use your finger to vary the vacuum

If the engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.

If the engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.

If the engine stumbled, connect EGR test jig to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve.
Use your finger to cap the open port on the vacuum tee.
Snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
Did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?
If not the EVR has failed

EGR test jig
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To test the computer and wiring to the computer, you can use a test light across the EVR wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker. If the test light remains on the computer or the wiring is suspect.

To check the EVR to computer wiring, disconnect the EVR connector and connect one end of the Ohmmeter to the dark green wire EVR wiring. Remove the passenger side kick panel and use a 10 MM socket to remove the computer connector from the computer. Set the Ohmmeter to high range and connect the other ohmmeter lead to ground. You should see an infinite open circuit indication or a reading greater than 1 Meg Ohm. If you see less than 200 Ohms, the dark green wire has shorted to ground somewhere.