what causes backfiring?

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ever since i installed my lt's and o/r h-pipe, i get a little backfiring in my exhaust whenever i let off the throttle. my check engine light comes on, then disappears in a second or 2. i've pulled the codes, and there are none with KOEO. and get a 33 (EGR valve not opening properly) with KOER. could this have something to do with it? i've been trying to set my timing lately, will timing cause backfire? whenever i disconnect the battery for a while, the car wants to stall at idle, and the backfires are louder & more often. Where should i start looking?
 
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i kinda thought they were the same thing??? no? when i go from higher rpms to lower rpms, i get a raspy popping in my exhaust. i assume rich exhaust gasses igniting in my exhaust somewhere, thats not what backfiring is?
 
most sound clips i have heard with exhaust dont sound like that! i dont like the way it sounds. kinda hillbilly/rice imo. and my CEL light comes on too when it happens... but only the one code for egr valve not operating... how can i fix this?
 
My car always popped from teh exhaust when goos'n it. Then I had my O/R pipe installed and most of the time it will pop once you crank it, or if you decell from a high rpm or goose it again. Nothing major though. The pops is right after it cranks.
 
Fuel Pressure, Vacuum and Timing can all cause it.

A) What is your timing set at and did you pull out the plastic plug to set it

B) Have you messed with any vacuum lines

C) Do you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator

D) Did you put on a new intake, maf, phenolic spacer?
 
Code 33 - Insufficient EGR flow detected.
Look for vacuum leaks, cracked vacuum lines, failed EGR vacuum regulator. Check to see if you have 10” of vacuum at the EGR vacuum connection coming from the intake manifold. Look for electrical signal at the vacuum regulator solenoid valves located on the rear of the passenger side wheel well. Using a test light across the electrical connector, it should flicker as the electrical signal flickers. Remember that the computer does not source any power, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.
Check for resistance between the brown/lt green wire on the EGR sensor and pin 27 on the computer: you should have less than 1 ohm.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 5in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 5in vacuum

The operation of the EGR vacuum regulator can be checked by using a test light applied across the wiring connector. Jumper the computer into self test mode and turn the key on but do not start the engine. You will hear all the actuators (including the EVR vacuum regulator) cycle. Watch for the light to flicker: that means the computer has signaled the EGR vacuum regulator successfully.


Check the EGR vacuum lines for cracks and splits.

Backfiring out the intake is either a valve stuck open or a lean mixture or spark plug wire(s) connected to the wrong cylinder(s). Check compression on all cylinders and then look for vacuum hoses loose, cracked, misconnected. Check the line for the vapor recirculation system – it is easy to knock loose and not see it when you connect the air pump plumbing. If the vacuum line for the EGR valve and the air pump are cross connected, some very strange things can happen. Check the mass air flow electrical connection and see that it is tight, the same goes for the fuel injection wiring harness connectors up on top of the manifold near the firewall.

Sticking valves: If a intake valve is bent, has a bad spring or is misadjusted, the engine will sometimes backfire through the intake. Use a vacuum gauge connected to any convenient spot on the intake manifold. Run the engine at 1000 RPM & look for 18-21 inches of vacuum with a steady needle. A problem intake valve will make the vacuum gauge needle sweep 5-10 inches every time that valve opens or closes.

Lean fuel mixture breaks out into several sub categories:
A.). Vacuum leaks
B.) Air entering the intake without passing through the MAF.
C.) Failure of the MAF, BAP/MAP (Baro or Manifold Air Pressure, same sensor, different name), ACT (air charge temp), or ECT (engine coolant temp). These should set a code in the computer.
D.) Leaking exhaust gases from EGR valve at WOT.
E.) Poor fuel delivery due to bad fuel pump, clogged filter or bad fuel pump wiring. Look for low pressure or fluctuating pressure. Standard injector pressure is 39 PSI at idle, with the vacuum line disconnected from the regulator and capped.
F.) Clogged fuel injectors.- see the cylinder balance test below
H.) Fuel injector wiring problems causing injector not to deliver rated flow.
I.) Computer problems: (computer problems are not common like sensor problems)
J.). ROM has bad data in fuel or timing table. This should also set a code in the computer.
K.) Failure of one or more of the computer's driver transistors for the fuel injectors. No code set on this one. Use a noid test light to test the injector wiring & injector drivers,
L.) MAF calibration off or mismatched to injectors.
M.) ACT or ECT bad. Sometimes the sensors will be off calibration, but not bad enough to set a code. If they falsely read too high a temp, the engine will back off fuel delivery.
N.) MAF sensor not matched to the computer (C&L or Ford OEM MAF only).

Cylinder balance test:
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures. Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure
 
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i have been messing with my timing, about 14* right now. spout was pulled to set it. have put on a 76mm maf, just put on new silicone vac lines, and don't have a AFPR.

okie dokey...

When you changed vacuum lines it probably messed with your fuel pressure. First replace the one to the fuel pressure regulator with the stock one again. Bigger lines = less vacuum.

Also, if you have a short cold air intake, my 76mm c&l didn't like it. 14* sounds perfect.

I'd say go buy a $40 fuel pressure guage and put it on you shraeder valve. If it's high or low go get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator and adjust it. I always ran about 39-40 psi but the car had headwork too.