Mach428 said:I wanted to ask some people who have had some personal experiences. What car has quicker 0-60 and 1/4 times, The 03/04 Mach 1 or the 2001 cobra?
Angus said:
95 yellow 5 0 said:well i am finally sick of the WRX all together. It's been a year since I totaled the Cobra. I'm thinkin about tradin my WRX in for a Mach 1.... I used to want an 01 cobra but after reading this i may change my mind. does the mach has the same tranny as the 01?
95 yellow 5 0 said:also do you think 4.10 gears would be nice in the mach?
95 yellow 5 0 said:i rather have the newer car tho, just do exhaust and gears and run low 13's.
95 yellow 5 0 said:are the mach's gonna have there own parts or 99+ dohc cobra parts will all work? like exhaust, headers, etc.
95 yellow 5 0 said:my other option is a 96-98 cobra again and mod. i rather have the newer car tho...
SVOKING said:Thanks for this post. Its clear that what alot of 01 Cobra owners say are facts are really myths and lies. Like this one:
"What the mach gains in TQ down low, it gives back in HP up high. that's a fact. I've driven both. the mach runs out of steam. Its got nothing (in stock form) above 6k. the cobra pulls much harder to 7K. But in a stoplight race, the mach will show the cobra its taillights, but not by much."
Obviously this dyno sheet says otherwise.....
Bob Cosby said:Angus...I agree with the balance of your post. My one point of disagreement is shift points with the 99/01 Cobra. They should most definately be shifted as close to redline as possible without hitting the limiter. This is especially true on the 1/2 shift, where you will drop nearly 3000 rpm due to the horrid gearing gap (3.35 to 1.99).
The Mach can be shifted lower because it makes its peak power a tad lower, and also has better midrange - making a less-than-perfect shift not as critical as it is with the older car.
That said....if I had a Mach 1....I'd still shift 1/2 at redline simply because of the gear drop.
Bob Cosby said:Angus...I agree with the balance of your post. My one point of disagreement is shift points with the 99/01 Cobra. They should most definately be shifted as close to redline as possible without hitting the limiter. This is especially true on the 1/2 shift, where you will drop nearly 3000 rpm due to the horrid gearing gap (3.35 to 1.99).
The Mach can be shifted lower because it makes its peak power a tad lower, and also has better midrange - making a less-than-perfect shift not as critical as it is with the older car.
That said....if I had a Mach 1....I'd still shift 1/2 at redline simply because of the gear drop.
DoubleONegative said:i drove to the dealer the day after they got a Mach 1 in and i test drove it for about 15 miles. I like the car over all, it pulled harder than my 01 Cobra down low, had the cool shaker hood and then i wasn't impressed anymore after it ran of power up top.
DoubleONegative said:After my little run in the Mach (i drove the crap out of it) the dealer asked me if i was ready to start the paper work and i said nope i like my 01 Cobra better! He asked why and i told him
I like the Cobra seats better
DoubleONegative said:My Cobra handles way better
DoubleONegative said:there were a few other things too
Over all i liked the Mach just not as much as my Cobra
Yes the Mach is alittle faster but i don't think it's as much fun to drive as a Cobra.
Angus said:I keep hearing this argument/opinion from '01 owners, but since I'm the only one who has posted
anything factual on the subject (the butt-o-meter isn't a good indicator of power output BTW ),
I continue to remain unconvinced that this "Top-End" power advantage exists.
Do you have anything besides seat-of-the-pants feel to back-up this stronger top-end power opinion???
Angus said:The Mach 1 uses the same seats as the '01 Cobra, with the exception of the suede inserts vs. comfort-weave inserts.
Is that what you like better? The suede & snake logo?
(Not flaming, just curious )
ttown said:If you run the Mach to redline, like you would with an 01 Cobra you would be about 500rpm's a past peak torque.
Why? It's called progress.ttown said:I'm going to see a lot of crying when the new 3 valve comes close or equal to our cars. Time goes on thing get better, just ask the 96-98 Cobra guys after the 99/01's came to market.
SVOKING said:Thanks for this post. Its clear that what alot of 01 Cobra owners say are facts are really myths and lies. Like this one:
"What the mach gains in TQ down low, it gives back in HP up high. that's a fact. I've driven both. the mach runs out of steam. Its got nothing (in stock form) above 6k. the cobra pulls much harder to 7K. But in a stoplight race, the mach will show the cobra its taillights, but not by much."
Obviously this dyno sheet says otherwise.....
Bluehorse said:These are some nice numbers. I recall the first machs with peak HP numbers similar to 01 cobras (about 272 peak), but with two equal peaks. One at about 5000 RPM and one at about 6000 RPM. This gave them about a 2 HP to 3 HP average HP advantage between optimum RPM shift points. I think the optimum shift points would be about 4250 RPM to 7000 RPM. Your graphs would suggest more on the order of a 7 HP or 8 HP advantage for the Machs between 4250 RPM and 7000 RPM.
Still, the Machs seem to have more of an, 0-60 MPH and 1/4 mile time, advantage than the 2% to 3% average HP, shown in your graphs, would suggest. To me it has to be the other setup issues such as suspension, weight and subframe connectors that make most of the difference here, not the engine. Of course they all work together.
Angus said:Look at the graph again - the rwhp advantage (and where the peaks are made)
in addition to LOTS of extra torque for the '03 4V throughout a good deal of the powerband tell the tale...
The extra toque is why the newer 4V engine really gets the Mach moving.
The other improvements - better gearing/solid axle/subframe connectors - do make the extra torque & hp more usable though.
Angus said:Look at the graph again - the rwhp advantage (and where the peaks are made)
in addition to LOTS of extra torque for the '03 4V throughout a good deal of the powerband tell the tale...
The extra toque is why the newer 4V engine really gets the Mach moving.
The other improvements - better gearing/solid axle/subframe connectors - do make the extra torque & hp more usable though.
GotGrunt said:2000 Cobra R > Mach 1