your an idiot. you sound like a honda guy! nobody asked you to pull out the "my engine is smaller bs" no one made you buy a car with a smaller engine either build a bigger engine or STFU! also every one knows the combustion chambers alone in the ls style head is highly efficient. along with the tall and skinny intake runner design they make great power regardless of displacement. also the OHC design sucks ass as far as i am concerned. BTW: i have herd rumors that the mustang is going to have pushrods again also a 3600lb ls1 car can go 9.9-10.0 on 11lbs. in street trim. sounds like that will run with the ROOTS BLOWN 5.4 you speak of? American HP the American way...OHV!
Never said the LS engines weren't great engines. They're tough, they're reliable and they make great power. I'm merely defending the fact that the Modular engines aren't as bad as people like yourself make them out to be considering the small displacement they've got to work with. But the fact remains that the LS series of engines wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as some of you guys make them out to be without the added displacement they're sporting. You wanna prove me wrong, re-sleeve and de-stroke one of them to similar displacement values and see how much more powerful they are than the little 4.6L. If you’re not willing to do that, then your remark is nothing more than pure, uninformed speculative chatter! As far as the Ford Modular engines being Junk....well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but don't be surprised if you find the odd person who doesn't agree with you on a Mustang board. Yeah, I've seen boosted LS1's run hard at the track too. You forgot to add the nitrous they're usually running in conjunction with the boost to cool the charge in most cases on top of that, but what's your point? Making a statement like this only proves that it takes the GM guys both the cubes provided with the LS1 and boost to make the same power as a similarly blown 5.4L. I fail to see how this aids your argument? And last time I checked....OHC design was just as American as OHV. It's not my problem that you fail to move on with the times. An attitude stuck in the 60's like yours is the reason why so many mod motor cars are spanking LS1's at the track! Oh, BTW....here's an infraction point for the attitude. I don't care if you don't agree with me, but save the lip for someone who wants to hear it. You'd do well to try to be a little more diplomatic and cool headed with your points in the future.
Is this seriously still alive...... You ain't gonna beat it so fu getta bout it already my lord. Its a Mach 1 its a GT with tape stripes, a shaker , retro wheels and the same same 4.6 tuned the way it should of came in the first place from FORD. Buy some nitrous and go beat this fool already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this thread is funny...I jumped ship about a year ago and got an ls1. I had 2 5.0's and enjoyed them both but the potential of the "new" 5.0 really got my attention. I agree though...Ford should have stuck behind the 5.0 design and they would have beat Chevy to the punch...oh well terminators will do right?
so you guys think a slightly modded 5.0 could keep up/ take an ls1???? what kinda horses does a 302 make anyhow?
I honestly have to agree with Gearbanger on this one. LS1 is 341ci making allegedly 350 horsepower. The 4.6l is 281ci and making anywhere from 215 in 2v form to 300 in 3v form. LS1 has 1.026:1 HP:CI ratio. The modular ford has .765:1 in 2v form and 1.06 in 3v form. Given the same cubes one could estimate the 3v would have 364hp. Without getting into the origins of the 4.6l you really can't say that Ford wouldn't be competitive with a similar displacement. Seeing as the 4.6 is a stroked car engine you can't compare the two. The new 5.0 Coyote will be the engine that you will be able to compare to the LSx series.
that mach1 is a dog.i have a buddy with an 03 mach1 with an auto with just a few bolt-ons that run's 7.90's and 12.50's!my 02 gt run's 8.0's and 12.60's n/a with only bolt-on's,hell the only changes to the engine are longtubes and pulley's(plenty of vids on streetfire by the way!).most bolt-on ls1's are gonna be in the 12's with very few exceptions.i've experienced how they run first hand.i have a couple friends that run them.one has bolt-on's and a cam swap anf runs 11.80's and the other runs 11.30's with h/c/i and bolt-on's and 10.60's on the gas!
You consider that a dog? For an auto, that's extremely impressive! You do realize that most LS1's run low-13's, right.....mid/high-12's with a lot of bolt ons.....especially in a similarly automatic equipped car. When you consider we're still comparing 281ci to 346ci, I'd say the Mach 1 is ahead of the game.
Correction on your correction....the LS1 has a 346cid. Standard LS1 Bore and stroke sizes are 3.90" X 3.62" (or 99mm x 92mm) Displacement is calculated using this formula (π/4) x bore2 x stroke x number of cylinders 0.7853981625 x 3.90 x 3.90 x 3.62 x 8 = 345.95343925506 345.95343925506 rounded up = 346ci or, if you preffer metric (π/4) x bore2 x stroke x number of cylinders 0.7853981625 x 99 x 99 x 92 =5665497.9180848928 5665497.9180848928 rounded up and converted from cubic mm to liters = 5.7L Small point but true.
i think you may have misunderstood what i was saying.my friends mach hauls ass,it's an auto and went 8.40's with nothing but a gear swap.a 5-speed should be atleast as fast.i think 4.6's are very impressive(especially a 2v).my gt still has a factory tb and plenum although they are ported but still.for the mod's my 2v has i find very few ls1's that are faster with such FEW mod's!
Well I found 4 things wrong with your friends car 1. F 2. O 3. R 4. D oh yeah and he is not spraying enough nitrous
Did I see Zo6 thrown in there?? Super Snake is about the same price isn`t it? Do a comparison on those two...
well i see somthing wrong here considering a mach is a 4valve car not 2, and also never have i seen a automatic mach witch im not saying isnt aroundbut from what you have described sounds like a gt with some mach tags on it, and if that is the case its no wunder its getting smoked by this ta
if you really want to compare cubes for cubes look what ford did with the 95 cobra R w the 5.8that smokes any factory ls1 and it pry would if you tuned the great ls1
Either way when you compare a ZO6 to a supersnake your comparing a 4 seater car to a 2 seater car. That can be a big difference in weight. But then there is the Ford GT
There you go! The LS1s are fast...but they are a chevy and they sound like every other SBC on the road! I`ll take the rumble of a mustang V8 anyday over a chevy.
