***cracks knuckles***
I think you've started something!!!!!!!!!!
By George, I think he's got it!
Here's the deal. If you want to race, you should go to the track. That's where the faster and better cars are determined, and the better driver for that matter.
Really?
Regardless of your opinion, comparing new factory cars, and moderately modified new cars to someone's trailered race fox-body has nothing to do with my thread. Still I don't really care where the races happen as long as you're comparing your typical gear-head with a mustang against your typical gear-head with a new car.
By the way, talking about it costing too much money to upgrade a Fox Body?
Have you seen the projected prices for the new Camero's and Challengers? I don't know the numbers, but I remember them being really high!
Nope, I've stressed in almost every post in this thread that the comparison between the price of new cars and the price of fox-bodies is not my point at all.
THE POINT AGAIN is that it takes too much to practically make a fox-body faster than other cars. Because of this, the REPUTATION of the fox-body has degraded to the point that it is just an old car. ANYTHING can be made to be fast, but IT IS NOT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE THAT MAKES A CAR'S REPUTATION.
I can make a pinto faster than a corvette Z06, or an outlaw mustang for that matter for the same amount of money it would cost to do it in a fox-body. So what? It still won't change the fact that the average gear-head either can't or won't put the money and effort into a fox-body that will put it near the newer hotrods. The average gear head with a fox-body will put heads, cam, and an intake on a fox-body, and maybe even go out on a limb and install a supercharger, turbo, or nitrous, and he'll have himself a reasonably fast mustang with 400 rwhp or so. The average gear-head with an LS1 will do a cam and exhaust and acheive the same results, or he'll do it in a Terminator and change a pully only to accomplish those results, OR HE WON'T EVEN TOUCH THE Z06 AND HE'LL ALREADY BE FASTER. Is the fox-body really competitive in this regard? Of course not. I can't believe any of you are even arguing the opposite.
Again, are there faster cheaper foxes? Of course. Are they as common? HELL NO!
(I'm the original poster of this thread, btw).
because i don't see why anyone would spend 80k on a Z06 regardless of how badass it is. If you love Mustangs then spend 80k on a Mustang and there's no reason it won't be as fast as the Vette .............................................The problem is people who go out and put an HCI combo on an otherwise stock Mustang and expect to blow everything off the road.
Hah! And how many of these mustangs are out there driving around on the streets where people can actually see them? Compare that to the number of Z06s, Cobras etc that ARE on the streets?.....*waits for answer*........Yep, my point exactly
And the original post was about how much it would cost to make equal or more horse power in a Fox compared to newer models.
Of course it wasn't. I know you can do it for less, and I have done it! (I'm the original poster btw)
i agree with 93gtmustang, keep the racing off the street and take it to the track before you kill some one, or some other as*hole street racer kills someone you love.
You presumptious know-it-all! My risk-taking on the street risks noone who doesn't also choose to take the risk (in other words, the only people I'll kill in any race are me and the person racing next to me, because I don't put myself in a position to endanger innocent bystanders or other traffic. The same could be said of racing at the track; I endanger myself, and the guy in the car next to me.
first of all... the fox body was a kick as car and still is.
you need to stop comparing 79-93 5.0s to 94-07 cars. the fox was the longest running of the mustangs and still has a reputation ass a sweet ride.
.......................................................... If you think 5.0s are slow then you go take out a loan and buy you a new car.
end rant.
The first point above has already been addressed. When you're at a stop light, or across from an '07 Z06 at the track, YOU WILL BE COMPARED.
As to your second point: I own a 1000rwhp capable 331c.i. turbocharged setup. Nevertheless 5.0s are slow by comparison with the new cars.
Chris,
I liked how you just totally ignored my point and jumped striaght into yours.
Facts are.. you go the track and the fox is competing and winning.
The street isnt a field for competition (IMO anyways). I guess it could be argued that the street is grounds for competition.. BUT.. legal.. and REAL competitions are held at the track and thats where the fox is still alive and breathing well.
Great!
That has nothing to do with this thread, which is why I went back to the point I attempted for this thread to be about. See above.
I take it you must not get out the tracks very often or something
Wrong.
I'd just like to know how many of the posters in this thread:
1) have driven any of the cars that have been compared to the Mustang
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2) own/have owned any of the cars compared to the Mustang
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3) aren't you likely to own a Mustang and here you are bashing them?
Rog, I own a mustang that will be, within the next year conservatively (1000rwhp), a 9 second fox-body.
This tells me that you either think the grass is greener on the other side
I like the stang more.
because things are newer and more expensive, or you're just going by what the magazines and rumour are telling you.
How about a 10.85@128mph by a stock Z06 other than Drag Radials.
How many Z06's has anyone seen on Pinks? If they're so badass then why doesn't everyone drag race them?
Because they aren't the quickest things out there, and noone wants to risk losing an expensive production car for something that's cheaper and likely to be faster.... I know that's your point, but it doesn't affect or compromise mine.
I've been to a few open track events...never seen a single one. I'm not just bashing on the Z06, and for the record i do think it's an incredible car, it's just not this uber automobile that some people would make it out to be. This kind of talk used to be reserved for the Viper too....which again is a badass car but is not untouchable in the least.
I guess I've been to enough open track events to see plenty of corvettes & Z06s, but again.....nothing to do with the thread.
As far as refinement goes....that's stupid to even argue. If you want refinement then don't go out and buy a 20 year old car! If you do and you're upset that a 20 year old car that really wasn't the picture of comfort when it was NEW isn't comparable to a 2007, $80 entry level supercar, then you've got issues beyond what this thread is discussing.
Agreed
I think some people are believing a little too much of the crap they're being fed by the automotive media. The grass is always greener on the other side. You can bet your ass that every time a Fox pulls up to a light next to a Z06 owner, he questions weather or not his car has what it takes to pull the car in the next lane, because Fox Mustangs have that reputation of being a badass on the streets and the track, and that rep wasn't given by the auto media, it was earned out there on the streets and the tracks over the last 20 years.
Romantic, but also wrong. My perceptions of fox-bodies in the lane next to me were almost always certain that the other fox would not run with me, and i was in a twin-turbo fox that was not as fast as a new Z06; it would only go mid-11s@117-119.
