Picture of my car and bros celica

[Pennywise2]

When I said "bury it's head," I meant performance wise. What car, since the Celica All Trac (89) and Supra (98) have been a performance car? Answer: NONE.

Toyota went the route of designing simple, mundane, low performing vehicles since then. I'm NOT talking about quality mind you, that's NEVER a question with a Toyota. Change the oil and it'll run god damn forever. I am talking about performance. Every other Japanese manufacturer has gone the route of performance without sacrificing quality.

Nissan's motto was having the highest horsepower in every class of vehicle they sell, and they've pretty much kept to that motto. The mid sized Altima, full sized Maxima, Xterra, Frontier, Titan, 350z. They have the most or top 3 amount of HP in every catagory.

Honda is finally getting around back to performance with the new Civic Si's. They kinda dropped the ball for a while.




Who the hell, other than you, is talking about sales. I could give a damn about sales. The Mustang V6 outsells the GT, but we all aren't rushing out to buy one now, are we?

And the Supra, all I can say is "It's about time they got their head out of their asses," but it's pretty much priced out of most people's range at over 50k.



Scion. Are you joking me? What car in the Scion line is a performance car? IMO, every car in the Scion line is a CHICK car. Perfect for young adult women....low HP so they won't kill themselves and stylish enough that they can customize to their liking. You wouldn't catch me DEAD in an XB. I'd rather walk.

With Lexus, only the IS series is a "peformance" car, and only the upcoming V8 and maybe the IS350.




It is. Toyota's performance has simply sucked since those two cars ended production. End of story.




I am open minded, probably one of the MOST open minded on this board. The Mustang isn't the "End all car" in the entire world. I like an import just as much as you do, it's just that I don't drive one. I'd love a 98 single turbo Supra, or an RB 240, but I can't use them for work. I'd love an STi or an Evo as they are light years beyond a Mustang, but I can't use them for work.

My only comment was that Toyota's performance sucked, and that they buried their (peformance) heads in the mud for many years. My statement is simply the truth, whether you like it or not, and if you are a logical person, you can't disagree with me. Only now is Toyota starting to come around when sales of certain model vehicles took a crap (Celica, for example) and they finally noticed that their cars were left in the dust.

+1,000,000
I couldn't agree more.
You argue with San you get the horns.
None of Toyotas' vehicles are performance cars even the MR2 sucks
as far as performance go's.
The only real "performance"car Lexus makes is the IS250 and IS350.
Don't get me started with the STI vs. EVO because Subaru wins every time.

 

[streetstang03]

celicas are gay. /end thread

 

[RedDaemon]

+1,000,000
I couldn't agree more.
You argue with San you get the horns.
None of Toyotas' vehicles are performance cars even the MR2 sucks
as far as performance go's.
The only real "performance"car Lexus makes is the IS250 and IS350.
Don't get me started with the STI vs. EVO because Subaru wins every time.

have you all forgotten about toyotas plan to rerelease a 450hp v8 supra next year?

scoll up and loo at my first post..

 

[BennyBlown2v]

duz tat celika have a 2jz in it??!?? looks like it 2 me

 

[dsg03bullitt]

The guy posts pics of his brothers celica just to show it off a little and let you people know what its about and he gets nothing but rude comments. You people need to learn some respect.

Nice celica and stang BTW.

On a serious note......How bad does your car beat his?

 

[san~man]

have you all forgotten about toyotas plan to rerelease a 450hp v8 supra next year?

scoll up and loo at my first post..

I addressed that fact . It will be a great car I'm sure, but it will too expensive for most people and it's in a totally different catagory all together.

Toyota needs a mid priced performer like the WRX, STi and EVO (both a bit more) or they simply won't ever be able to compete in the sport compact market. The Supra will be priced in the Z06 range / GT500 range (not including outrageous dealer markup) and I'll bet sales will be low. For the same price, I'd take a Z06 anyday and smoke the Toyota silly.

Anyone else want to debate my "ridiculousness?"

 

[san~man]

The guy posts pics of his brothers celica just to show it off a little and let you people know what its about and he gets nothing but rude comments. You people need to learn some respect.

Nice celica and stang BTW.

On a serious note......How bad does your car beat his?

Well, a couple of things to remember:

1. This is an internet chat board. If he didn't want other people's opinions, he shouldn't have made a thread.

2. Had the car been tastefully done, it wouldn't be too bad and I'm sure people would have had nicer things to say about it. Unfortunately, it looks horrible and people voiced their opinions about it.

3. His Mustang looks fine, hence it didn't receive any rude comments.

5. The only "rude" and unnecessary comment I read was about his brother being "gay" by his choice of car and it's styling. It was totally uncalled for.

6. If you don't want to hear what other people have to say, refer back to #1 above.

 

[RedDaemon]

I addressed that fact . It will be a great car I'm sure, but it will too expensive for most people and it's in a totally different catagory all together.

Toyota needs a mid priced performer like the WRX, STi and EVO (both a bit more) or they simply won't ever be able to compete in the sport compact market. The Supra will be priced in the Z06 range / GT500 range (not including outrageous dealer markup) and I'll bet sales will be low. For the same price, I'd take a Z06 anyday and smoke the Toyota silly.

Anyone else want to debate my "ridiculousness?"

if you did i didnt see it but you cant just ignore toyotas "hp war" when they are coming out with something that IS powerful

idc if it IS in a diff class...and i know it is...alls i am trying to say is that toyota hasnt gotten soft!

 

[90RanGer]

Agreed, Toyota is boring. I have a lot of respect for their business philsophies they have very high quality standards and alot of smart people there. They are to content building simple boring cars IMO. Their whole moto now seems to be "i want my mpg" ahha. Toyota used to make some fun cars, and TRD actually meant something. Imagine if Toyota actually put their energy into building something fun and sporty like another actual mr2.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

The guy posts pics of his brothers celica just to show it off a little and let you people know what its about and he gets nothing but rude comments. You people need to learn some respect.

It's got nothing to do with respect. He wanted opinions, he got them. If he wanted nothing but positive responses, he should have posted the picture on a Celica forum. Celica's are great cars for 16-year-old girls or those guys in their late-teens/early-twenties that wear their pants down around their knees, gold plated bicycle chains, their hats cocked to the side and worship everything about The Fast and the Furious franchise.......but as you can see, the majority of the posters on this board don't fall under that category.

I say, if you’re going to dress up your car like piñata, then be prepared to get hit with sticks from everyone else with a normal perspective of what’s tasteful. Crying about how the big bad guys at Stangenet pointed and laughed at his car isn’t going to gain it’s acceptance any faster. The concept of “Rice” has been well publicized over the last few years, by all groups of car enthusiasts, both domestic and import alike and that Celica my friend is a prime example of it!

Grow a thicker skin, or take your ball and run home!!!

 

[dsg03bullitt]

You drive a cougar?

 

[steveb24]

i like imports that are fast and dont look "rice" (like youe brothers), i know your doing the best you can to defend him but cmon..
(everything external that i can see he did)

 

[dsg03bullitt]

......I dont care if its blown or not that bitch is ugly, If you dont like my opinion grow some thicker skin or take your ball and run home.

 

[WillDuhhBeast]

I wonder why the class of mustang people I seem to run into on this board is always the same typical v-8 head cliche. I don't have a problem with you guys not liking the car, but there are other sides of the spectrum, besides muscle v-8's.



If you did a half assed bit of research, you'd find that they are also releasing a v6 version of the supra which will compete in the range with the 350z. At about the same price (high 20k low 30k) it will put 350 hp out. It will also come in convertable, which the v8 most likely wont.




I consider "rice" as blinky lights and usually something I wouldnt call "clean" whereas my brothers car is much different than that. It was all done very tastefully, nothing is just rigged to fit. It looks like something you'd see at one of the most popular car shows in the country, NOPI nationals. I wonder if the people on this board go to NOPI and just make fun of rice all day or what? Or do people who drive mustangs only go to domestic shows and antique car shows?



I wasn't trying to show off my brothers car, just giving him the props he deserves for putting work into something (whether you think it was worth it or not)




As far as how fast it is, you wont ever understand until you see it. A car pushing a factory 180 to the crank and only weighing 2500 lbs is quite nice. Not to mention it can rev to close to 9000 without harm.



Now he's pushing just under 300 to the wheels and he stays only a few cars back on me. This Celica has MORE performance inspired in it than ANY honda, including the s2000. It's on the same basis as the rsx-s with acura. So to even say that toyota doesn't have any performance minded cars in the last 10 years is retarded.


Yeah, okay.. it hasn't come out with a muscle car, and it hasn't come out with this neat factory twin turbo setups since 98, but what it did with the 2zz motor(same exact motor which is in the lotus elise) goes over looked.



Ignorance is bliss, Sanman.

 

[san~man]

if you did i didnt see it but you cant just ignore toyotas "hp war" when they are coming out with something that IS powerful

idc if it IS in a diff class...and i know it is...alls i am trying to say is that toyota hasnt gotten soft!

Toyota isn't in the HP war. They are making one car, the Supra, but it's probably only to compete in a certain racing class (to meet FIA rules, for example). Although the Supra will be a great car (that's undeniable), it honestly WON'T compete in the class they are placing it in with it's price. That 50k sports car class is HIGHLY competitive, and at the moment, dominated by the 07 Z06 (at least in America).

Toyota needs to increase HP in all their vehicle catagories, especially their "sports" cars. The Celica maxes out at 180HP (?) or so...that's pathetic. They should adopt Nissan's motto and they would sell a helluva a lot more cars.

 

[san~man]

I wonder why the class of mustang people I seem to run into on this board is always the same typical v-8 head cliche. I don't have a problem with you guys not liking the car, but there are other sides of the spectrum, besides muscle v-8's.

Read my previous post.

If you did a half assed bit of research, you'd find that they are also releasing a v6 version of the supra which will compete in the range with the 350z. At about the same price (high 20k low 30k) it will put 350 hp out. It will also come in convertable, which the v8 most likely wont.

That's yet to be determined as the vehicle hasn't been released yet. And, it's closer to 300HP than 350.

I consider "rice" as blinky lights and usually something I wouldnt call "clean" whereas my brothers car is much different than that. It was all done very tastefully, nothing is just rigged to fit. It looks like something you'd see at one of the most popular car shows in the country, NOPI nationals. I wonder if the people on this board go to NOPI and just make fun of rice all day or what? Or do people who drive mustangs only go to domestic shows and antique car shows?

You're entitled to your opinion on rice, as is everyone else on this board. To some of us, rice is Lambo doors. To you, it may not be.

I wasn't trying to show off my brothers car, just giving him the props he deserves for putting work into something (whether you think it was worth it or not)

No one questioned his hard work. Eveyone questioned the choices he made and the outcome of his car.

As far as how fast it is, you wont ever understand until you see it. A car pushing a factory 180 to the crank and only weighing 2500 lbs is quite nice. Not to mention it can rev to close to 9000 without harm.

180 to the crank is about 160ish at the wheels? In a car that weight, I'm sure performance is decent. But with 130ft/lb of torque, I stick by original statement that it's a turd. HP isn't an issue as it makes 180HP at 7600 rpms...haha again, what a turd.

Now he's pushing just under 300 to the wheels and he stays only a few cars back on me. This Celica has MORE performance inspired in it than ANY honda, including the s2000. It's on the same basis as the rsx-s with acura. So to even say that toyota doesn't have any performance minded cars in the last 10 years is retarded.

300 HP is respectable, but performance wise other than sheer HP, there is NO comparison between the S2K and the Celica. Handling, build, suspension design...I'm sorry, the Celica doesn't win.

Yeah, okay.. it hasn't come out with a muscle car, and it hasn't come out with this neat factory twin turbo setups since 98, but what it did with the 2zz motor(same exact motor which is in the lotus elise) goes over looked.

180HP out of a N/A 4 is respectable? I don't think that qualifies as a technological marvel, but that's your opinion.

Ignorance is bliss, Sanman.

Whatever, that's your opinion which you are of course entitled to. I think I've proven otherwise.

 

[SSS281]

i like the celicas they are a fun little car to drive; here is mine with my gf's gt-s we bought almost 2yrs ago, runs like a champ

a celica gt-s (2zz) with a catback, header, cai, and pfc (standalone computer) is not a slow car by any means. those few bolt ons i just listed arent overly pricey either. her car is definitely a competitor among other 4cyl cars in it's class and its not factory boosted either. yes tq is very low...however if you can manage your shifts well enough to remain in 'lift' (timing change/ "vtec") which engages @ 6200 - 8400; the car hauls pretty well.

to the original poster, i think your car is nice and your brothers car is also pretty nice, i personally am not a fan of the wheels that sit in very far, perhaps he could get wheel spacers to set that off. the emblems on the front bumper are different, ive never seen that before im not sure if i like that or not; but i do like the kam kit. its my favorite. dont worry about some of the views you will get on here; one of the things ive found on most mustang boards is the overuse of the word "rice"

 

[WillDuhhBeast]

i like the celicas they are a fun little car to drive; here is mine with my gf's gt-s we bought almost 2yrs ago, runs like a champ

a celica gt-s (2zz) with a catback, header, cai, and pfc (standalone computer) is not a slow car by any means. those few bolt ons i just listed arent overly pricey either. her car is definitely a competitor among other 4cyl cars in it's class and its not factory boosted either. yes tq is very low...however if you can manage your shifts well enough to remain in 'lift' (timing change/ "vtec") which engages @ 6200 - 8400; the car hauls pretty well.

to the original poster, i think your car is nice and your brothers car is also pretty nice, i personally am not a fan of the wheels that sit in very far, perhaps he could get wheel spacers to set that off. the emblems on the front bumper are different, ive never seen that before im not sure if i like that or not; but i do like the kam kit. its my favorite. dont worry about some of the views you will get on here; one of the things ive found on most mustang boards is the overuse of the word "rice"

Thank you, and you're so right about how it's not slow by any means.



Numerous times, my brother has put it on lightly bolted on mustangs who have nearly 2 and 1/2 times more liter's than him and at least twice the CI in the engine.



I'm not saying his car is amazing, but to say it's lacking performance and is a "turd" that's pure lack of knowledge or experiance.




A fully bolted on celica gts from 2000 (not the drive by wire style like was presented in 2003) will be extremely comptetitve if not faster than a fully bolted on mustang gt (minus cames or headwork on both). And from a "turd" of an engine that for some reason lotus saw fit to use, pretty amazing to me. This isnt just a guess, ive seen it with my own eyes, on multiple bolted on gt's. I doubted it too, before i saw it happen several times on several different bolt on setups.



You can get the factory specs all you way, and laugh at the lack of torque. Coming from a 1.8 liter engine, what do you expect?




A non-drivebywire celica gts will walk an s2000 every single time from the facotry and will probably hang well in the twisties too.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

You drive a cougar?

.....that will wipe the floor with your Bullitt wannabe. What's your point?

......I dont care if its blown or not that bitch is ugly, If you dont like my opinion grow some thicker skin or take your ball and run home.

You can call it ugly if you wish, but one thing you can't call it is rice.

 

[dsg03bullitt]

oh....i dont have a bullitt dip****! And your car is uglier than sin. Race my fox and i will look good while i wax your ass