Does Ford think we're Stupid? 315 horse? what the hell!

[Gearbanger 101]

well guys, for once I'll admit I'm completely embarressed and out of excuses.

Ford has released the official price and official news about the 2010 model, and it's not good

2010 Mustang Options & Pricing Released - Ford Mustang | StangNet.com

$27k for the base v8. they've raised the price.

camaro has released their prices.

CAMARO PRICE COMPLETE LIST -- OPTIONS + ACCESSORIES (MSRP, Invoice, Employee) - Camaro Forum - 2009 Camaro / 2010 Camaro / New Camaro SS Z28 Forums - Camaro5.com

27k for their v8 model on employee pricing (which they always hold specials for the public) or only a measely $3k more 30k for the non employee pricing.

Their's =425 horse
ours = 315 horse.

a complete ****ing embarassement.

it's obvious ford's engine lineup is dead, and they were unwilling to do anything about it.

the first time around, chevy build a piece of crap around a vette engine and called it the camaro.

this time around they've got a world class platform, and more than 100 standard hp than ford for about the same price.

I'm embarrassed for ford, honest to god....

best of luck with chevy...I hope they teach ford a good hard lesson

oh yea, that supercharger rumor??

untrue. It's not a factory ford supercharger. It's a bolt on dealer item. ****, we've had that option for 15 years or so now.

damn ford, you really ****ed this one up bad.

Panties in a wad much?

I wish I had a crystal ball like you do that I could predict that thrashing GM is going to give Ford. You know....because they've been doing a bang up job of is so far. And a Camaro being a world class performer?!?....you're too much.

You need to take a deep breath and see how it all turns out. You getting worked up over something that hasn't even hit the production line yet is going to give you a stroke!

 

[mransr]

"magazine racers"

 

[v8only]

I'm getting worked up over a complete and utter lack of power, damned straight.

I don't want a weak motor that can't put out any more power than my cast iron headed 5.0 explorer motor.

the new bodies are the best looking for ford, but imo it's looking like they'll make a damned good LS motor swap platform.

Wonder if I could order up a 2010 mustang with no drivetrain then have it sent to chevy to have the mechanicals built the proper way.

 

[FastDriver]

LMAO

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Wonder if I could order up a 2010 mustang with no drivetrain then have it sent to chevy to have the mechanicals built the proper way.

Yes, because putting the powertrain ahead of the rest of the car worked so well for the previous generation F-Bodies.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

Yes, because putting the powertrain ahead of the rest of the car worked so well for the previous generation F-Bodies.

oh you mean the cars that they had to stop making because nobody wanted to buy them as much as the mustang?

b b but the new camaro is going to weigh two tons and have 100 more hp and cost more than the mustang.

its a hell of a lot easier to add power than subtract weight.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

oh you mean the cars that they had to stop making because nobody wanted to buy them as much as the mustang?

b b but the new camaro is going to weigh two tons and have 100 more hp and cost more than the mustang.

its a hell of a lot easier to add power than subtract weight.

Yup....I mean what's the sense of boasting about 425+hp under the hood of the new Camaro when the guy in the Mustang is running nearly door to door with you in his lowly 315hp 4.6L GT.

If I were GM, I'd be the ones embarrassed for putting out a 425hp car that won’t break out of the 13's, not bragging about it.

Hell, my Cougar weighs more (about 4,000lbs) and makes less power and even it runs 12’s all day long through an automatic transmission and IRS rear end.

 

[v8only]

happy new year all

you guys are ****ing idiots

it's not 1996 all over again,

the camaro is now a world class platform derived from the holden folks...the same guys who built the (ugly) but awesome gto platform...

and the camaro isn't any heavier than the 2010 mustang

3600/3700 pounds

Ford lost it's ass bad on this one.

I've been the most hardcore ford supporter you've ever seen...YOu should see the stable of cars I have.....(nearly all fords)

first time in my life I'm embarrassed, and will make no excuses for the new model.

Watch when motor trend and the others start dogging on the 2010 model...it's gonna be a ****ing joke.

 

[FastDriver]

you guys are ****ing idiots

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I suspect you were just messing around, but regardless it's still a violation. This is just a warning.

Chris

 

[v8only]

lol, is that all you've got??

 

[bigcat]

how do you figure the camaro is no heavier than the 2010 stang? the stang only picked up an additional 15 pounds over the current model.

The 2010 Camaro will offer 300 (V6 base), 400 (SS, auto), and 422 (SS, manual), in a car that will tip the scales in the area of 3700 for the base on 3900 for the SS. The current Challenger makes 250 (SE), 372 (R/T auto), 376 (R/T manual) and 425 (SRT-8) horsepower, and we are all well aware of the weight issue plaguing the Dodge lineup, so they will need the extra power to keep up, and we will likely soon see if Dodge has anything planned for the Challenger engine lineup.
Power to weight ratio
The Mustang will likely have a curb weight in the area of 3400 for the base and 3600 for the GT coupes, so they will be the lightest competitors in the pony car battle.

 

[timeless2]

you guys are ****ing idiots

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While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters.

I suspect you were just messing around, but regardless it's still a violation. This is just a warning.

Chris

lol, is that all you've got??

Maybe a two week ban is what you were looking for.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

lol, is that all you've got??

oh and there is this:

Base curb weight range: 3741 pounds (LT manual), 3913 (SS automatic)

so the big daddy 425hp v8 equipped SS is in the 3900+ range like i said. so is the V6 the world class performer? LOL


i know this because i liked the car until i found out it was a porker.

 

[mransr]

this just in from the Update News Desk...since 1967 the Camaro has always been available with more horsepower than the Mustang...

and with very few exceptions the Mustang has always outsold the Camaro (and IMHO the Mustang has always been a better rounded package)...

so the fact that some people are surprised, or shocked, or whatever that GM has made a Camaro with more advertised horsepower is a little surprising to me, but whatever...some of us just want more than a big HP number in a brochure (and frankly it doesn't really matter to me, I still prefer the 'under powered' 1999-2004 Mustang anyway)


and I find this kinda funny...Google's spell check wants to change Camaro to Camry

 

[Mike Trammell]

A few of you are absolutley correct. I've seen stock GT's run stock GTO's, Challengers, and Chargers and the stang wins every time. All of the cars I mentioned are way heavier cars than the stang. I agree with that one dude - its easier to add power than to shed weight.

 

[bluelightning]

I've seen the new body style, and I absolutely love it. I'm convinced it's going to be the longer lasting better selling body style over the camaro and challenger. The camaro interior is really aweful, and the challenger is way to heavy.

Ford really had a hot thing going with that new body style. Hell, they even are offering real gear ratio's for once...which says they're listening to all of us for once.

However, a 15 horsepower bump and the same old 4.6L motor?? WTF! Ford is still pushing this wortheless little 4.6L motor and they're obviously stuck with it.

One of the things that made the old 5.0 so legendary was NEVER the styling of the fox cars...it was the legendary 5.0 motors. Hell, you could abuse the thing all day long, and throw performance parts at it and it would respond like a 12 year old boy after a 6 pack of monster drinks.

This bodystyle?? We'll be left with an amazing body and interior that will last the ages, and a powertrain not worth recycled piss. The chevy guys will have a field day in ten years throwing LSx motors into it.

I just don't get it. the New modular motor has proven to be an absolute turd for any bolt ons other than power adders. Ford has proven they can't wring any more HP out of these tired motors...(look at the trucks...the f150 also got a 15 HP bump to 315, while chevy and dodge and toyota are north of 380-400 horse)...

So who will get my money in the end?? I don't know. I'm as hard core mustang lover as they come. I've got a 66, a modified 86, and the rest of my family has mustangs too, an 86 ssp, an 86 ttop, a 99 bullit, 96 v6, 91 4 banger vert...etc etc. I really miss the old days of bolt on fun...and THATS what makes it worth it to me.

If used prices are affordable in 5-7 years, I'll be taking a long look at the camaro's.

I know several guys that are getting over 700 RHP out of the 4.6's and driving them on the street with no prob lems, it is in my opinion a better motor than the 5.0.if you think the Camaros are so great get one I don't think any one on this site cares.

 

[Aftrbrnr]

I'm a bit skeptical about the power to weight ratio issue. Keep in mind the last time the Mustang and Camaro co-existed (the early 2000s) the Mustang was lighter than the Camaro was still bested by the F-body in terms of straight-line performance. It took the '03-'04 Cobras to finally beat the Camaro, and IMO the Cobra is priced just slightly above the Average Joe's pocketbook.

 

[v8only]

After a 2 week hiatus in ban-land, I figured I'd send another bump on this thread to explain, if nothing else my actions. The reality of the situation was pretty simple...it was New Years eve, and I had slightly more to drink than I would have normally, and I was up for some late night posting. I apparently got into a pissing match with a moderator, and chose the wrong color metaphors to explain myself. To the extent of my tasteless mode of expression, I offer a sincer apology.

Now, to move on from that I offer to anyone to search my username v8only here, and on stangnet, on foureyedpride, corral,any major board. My seemingly troll-like actions should clear themselves. I'm hardcore tech, and post 99.9% of the time on tech boards with 100% drama-free advice.

I've owned fox mustangs now for nearly 20 years in one form or the other, and have been hardcore into the scene now for about 10ish.

I have an apparent and strong dis-taste for Modular motors, and everyone who knows me is fully aware of this. My reason is simple: They're slow and not easily modifyable. To those who have an 05+ and have tuned it for low 13's, I'm happy for you. Even high 12's, good for you. That is, however not fast. To that extent, it's apparent many here have never had a vehicle that was fast. For many, low 13's is fast enough, and if that was the case, i'd be driving an 05+ model right now. I am the very type who likes to tinker on cars. There is nothing more fun for me than picking up a new n/a part now and then as funds come up. A new set of heads here, a new intake there, a $150 cam here...etc etc. I watch my motor grow, and gain experience too.

This is not the case with the modular motors. If you want to upgrade the cams, have a $1000 cam package for a 4v motor. LOL.

That's it folks. It's not that a modular motor can't be built fast, it's just that they can't be built cheap, nor easily. The modular motors are a lineup of engines that can be tuned and finely adjusted to perform the best, as per your low 13 and hi 12 second times. Anything beyond that though, is not within the capability of budget of any of us normal folk.

that's it folks. That's where I come from. Modular motors are for some, but for my purposes, and what I like to do with cars, they're wortheless to me.

 

[FastDriver]

After a 2 week hiatus in ban-land, I figured I'd send another bump on this thread to explain, if nothing else my actions. The reality of the situation was pretty simple...it was New Years eve, and I had slightly more to drink than I would have normally, and I was up for some late night posting. I apparently got into a pissing match with a moderator, and chose the wrong color metaphors to explain myself. To the extent of my tasteless mode of expression, I offer a sincer apology.

Now, to move on from that I offer to anyone to search my username v8only here, and on stangnet, on foureyedpride, corral,any major board. My seemingly troll-like actions should clear themselves. I'm hardcore tech, and post 99.9% of the time on tech boards with 100% drama-free advice.

No worries. I don't hold "internet grudges."

As for the rest of your post...... different strokes. The modulars have their place. It's right behind my fender

 

[Gearbanger 101]

The modulars have their place. It's right behind my fender

I WILL....ram you with my Cougar.