Will Ford pass GM in sales?

[Fast05]

This s**t is ridiculous. I'm not going to get in to all this hoopla but I will say this. The point of a free market is to let the strong companies strive and the weak die out. You can't do that by putting government money into weak and dieing businesses. It doesn't matter how strong the company once was or what it did for the anyone it's all about what it is doing today. Family owned businesses that have been around here for 40-50 years have closed up. Where is there bail out money? The Obama group thought by pumping money into a business that wasn't already selling cars was somehow going to make things better which is what I don't understand. It doesn't all that did was allow them to make more cars that people still aren't going to buy.

The government sticking there hands into GM is/was a HORRIBLE idea and will eventually lead to the destruction of GM. At the end of the day we've pumped billions and billions of dollars into GM and what has happened? Nothing, poor sales, poor car designs and and now a national hatred and bad rep to GM. No one feels comfortable buying GM now and thats coming from GM die hards. I have family that has bought GM since they started driving and have never drove anything else and they are switching to Ford and I hear of stories like that every day.

By the the government taking control of GM they sealed the fate of GM. They will NEVER be what they were and will be lucky to ever recover and become profitable again. I honestly don't seem GM in business 5 years from now.

You can take that for what its worth. It doesn't matter if GM has been around since the beginning it matters if they are a profitable company. Yes it would be a shame for all the people to lose their jobs but its also not my job or anyone else's job to pay taxes so the government can take my money and give it to GM so they can pay their employees. Thats whats wrong with America as it is we give money to everyone but the people that need it. We would rather give money to a dieing cause or a dugged out mother with 9 kids so she can buy her crack.

Did you ever think about this you have to take a drug test to get a job but you don't have to to get a welfare check.

Amen.

 

[Top Speed]

This s**t is ridiculous. I'm not going to get in to all this hoopla but I will say this. The point of a free market is to let the strong companies strive and the weak die out. You can't do that by putting government money into weak and dieing businesses. It doesn't matter how strong the company once was or what it did for the anyone it's all about what it is doing today. Family owned businesses that have been around here for 40-50 years have closed up. Where is there bail out money? The Obama group thought by pumping money into a business that wasn't already selling cars was somehow going to make things better which is what I don't understand. It doesn't all that did was allow them to make more cars that people still aren't going to buy.

The government sticking there hands into GM is/was a HORRIBLE idea and will eventually lead to the destruction of GM. At the end of the day we've pumped billions and billions of dollars into GM and what has happened? Nothing, poor sales, poor car designs and and now a national hatred and bad rep to GM. No one feels comfortable buying GM now and thats coming from GM die hards. I have family that has bought GM since they started driving and have never drove anything else and they are switching to Ford and I hear of stories like that every day.

By the the government taking control of GM they sealed the fate of GM. They will NEVER be what they were and will be lucky to ever recover and become profitable again. I honestly don't seem GM in business 5 years from now.

You can take that for what its worth. It doesn't matter if GM has been around since the beginning it matters if they are a profitable company. Yes it would be a shame for all the people to lose their jobs but its also not my job or anyone else's job to pay taxes so the government can take my money and give it to GM so they can pay their employees. Thats whats wrong with America as it is we give money to everyone but the people that need it. We would rather give money to a dieing cause or a dugged out mother with 9 kids so she can buy her crack.

Did you ever think about this you have to take a drug test to get a job but you don't have to to get a welfare check.

You are right on EVERY account.

My dad WAS a Pontiac man. He just bought a brand new Mazda 6 Touring.

I WAS a GM man. I'll list all the cars I've owned...

1984 Plymouth Colt
1977 Pontiac Bonneville
1971 Chevrolet El Camino
1995 Chevrolet S-10 LS
1994 Chevrolet B4C Camaro (still own)
1992 Pontiac Grand Prix
2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8T
2005 Subaru WRX STi

Here's what my parents have owned, at least since I've been around...

1968 Plymouth Barracuda
1969 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu
1977 Pontiac Bonneville
1984 Plymouth Colt
1986 Mazda 626
1989 Pontiac GTA TransAm (still own)
1990 Chevrolet Beretta
1992 Pontiac Grand Prix
1994 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
2001 Pontiac Bonneville
2006 Pontiac G6 GT (still own)
2009 Mazda 6 Touring

My dad was looking at new GMs and considered a Buick Lucerne but the dealer didn't want to deal. He left and visited a Mazda dealership, and came home with a brand new 6 Touring. Yep, my "GM dad" bought a FORD.

Oh, wait, I'm a GM guy, too, and I'm gonna buy a new 2010 FORD Mustang GT!

IF I ever own another GM, it will have been built prior to 1972.

 

[SS02]

This s**t is ridiculous. I'm not going to get in to all this hoopla but I will say this. The point of a free market is to let the strong companies strive and the weak die out. You can't do that by putting government money into weak and dieing businesses. It doesn't matter how strong the company once was or what it did for the anyone it's all about what it is doing today. Family owned businesses that have been around here for 40-50 years have closed up. Where is there bail out money? The Obama group thought by pumping money into a business that wasn't already selling cars was somehow going to make things better which is what I don't understand. It doesn't all that did was allow them to make more cars that people still aren't going to buy.

The government sticking there hands into GM is/was a HORRIBLE idea and will eventually lead to the destruction of GM. At the end of the day we've pumped billions and billions of dollars into GM and what has happened? Nothing, poor sales, poor car designs and and now a national hatred and bad rep to GM. No one feels comfortable buying GM now and thats coming from GM die hards. I have family that has bought GM since they started driving and have never drove anything else and they are switching to Ford and I hear of stories like that every day.

By the the government taking control of GM they sealed the fate of GM. They will NEVER be what they were and will be lucky to ever recover and become profitable again. I honestly don't seem GM in business 5 years from now.

You can take that for what its worth. It doesn't matter if GM has been around since the beginning it matters if they are a profitable company. Yes it would be a shame for all the people to lose their jobs but its also not my job or anyone else's job to pay taxes so the government can take my money and give it to GM so they can pay their employees. Thats whats wrong with America as it is we give money to everyone but the people that need it. We would rather give money to a dieing cause or a dugged out mother with 9 kids so she can buy her crack.

Did you ever think about this you have to take a drug test to get a job but you don't have to to get a welfare check.

You have a great point, like I said also...I didnt think they should have gotten a bailout, I hope your wrong with the 5 year end of GM. I have friends and Family who work for GM, so its kinda of personal....I just ticked me off that some ppl can say they hope GM goes under.

Bad decisions made by a small group of ppl.....crazy stuff, lets hope it dosent end for the worse.

 

[Top Speed]

You have a great point, like I said also...I didnt think they should have gotten a bailout, I hope your wrong with the 5 year end of GM. I have friends and Family who work for GM, so its kinda of personal....I just ticked me off that some ppl can say they hope GM goes under.

Bad decisions made by a small group of ppl.....crazy stuff, lets hope it dosent end for the worse.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Maybe your friends and family should start looking for jobs elsewhere. As long as I can still find parts for my Camaro, I don't care what happens to GM. I'll just feel bad for the innocent people who it effects.

 

[SS02]

You have your opinion, I have mine. Maybe your friends and family should start looking for jobs elsewhere. As long as I can still find parts for my Camaro, I don't care what happens to GM. I'll just feel bad for the innocent people who it effects.

Nice, great outlook on it man.

 

[Top Speed]

Nice, great outlook on it man.

Hey, not my problem. Why should I care what happens to a company? I didn't care when APC (Always Producing Crap), one of the "premier Pep Boys Dress-up Kit" companies went under cuz they sucked, why should I care that GM goes under? Seems to me that the employees of GM need to band together and launch a company-wide strike to me, but Hell, this is America; it'll never happen. Instead of acting, they'll all just sit around and grumble about how things suck. Suffice to say, GM will be way back in their production, not only allowing time for current vehicles to sell, but the backup in production would also ensure their job security for additional time.

So, here we Americans all sit, moaning and groaning about bailing out GM, yet not a single one of us has made an effort to step up to the good ol' government and say, "Enough is enough." Present company included.

 

[Fast05]

Hey, not my problem. Why should I care what happens to a company? I didn't care when APC (Always Producing Crap), one of the "premier Pep Boys Dress-up Kit" companies went under cuz they sucked, why should I care that GM goes under? Seems to me that the employees of GM need to band together and launch a company-wide strike to me, but Hell, this is America; it'll never happen. Instead of acting, they'll all just sit around and grumble about how things suck. Suffice to say, GM will be way back in their production, not only allowing time for current vehicles to sell, but the backup in production would also ensure their job security for additional time.

So, here we Americans all sit, moaning and groaning about bailing out GM, yet not a single one of us has made an effort to step up to the good ol' government and say, "Enough is enough." Present company included.

It all boils down to this, in my opinion. A company is a company, it doesn't matter how large or small they are. If they make a half ass product and it doesn't sell, why should my tax payer dollars fund them? There are plenty of small businesses in this country that have gone under in the last year that probably employed quite a few people, and not one of them got a bailout, so who's to say that GM is somehow "more important" than all those small businesses and the people they employed?

 

[Top Speed]

It all boils down to this, in my opinion. A company is a company, it doesn't matter how large or small they are. If they make a half ass product and it doesn't sell, why should my tax payer dollars fund them? There are plenty of small businesses in this country that have gone under in the last year that probably employed quite a few people, and not one of them got a bailout, so who's to say that GM is somehow "more important" than all those small businesses and the people they employed?

I'm still wondering where my bailout is.

GM is constantly laying people off, which tells me they don't care about their employees, yet when I say, "I couldn't care less if GM goes under," I'm a jerk for it.

Don't blame me, blame Rick Wagoner. After blaming him, blame the government for handing him a suitcase stuffed with $20,000,000 in it just to clean out his office and get lost.

 

[MeanMike]

I was thinking today about how most of us are pissed off about them getting tax payer's money but then it hit me are'nt they tax payer's themselve's, yes they are and have probably payed more than twice the amount they have borrowed so if I'm correct and I usually am would'nt they have just as much if not more right's than us. Dont get me wrong I'm not necessarily saying it's right but if this is true then who are we to bitch about it myself included.

 

[Top Speed]

I was thinking today about how most of us are pissed off about them getting tax payer's money but then it hit me are'nt they tax payer's themselve's, yes they are and have probably payed more than twice the amount they have borrowed so if I'm correct and I usually am would'nt they have just as much if not more right's than us. Dont get me wrong I'm not necessarily saying it's right but if this is true then who are we to bitch about it myself included.

Why should they have more rights than us? They make more money than we do, hence the reason they're paying more into the tax pot. When it all boils down to it, we're putting in nearly just as much of a percentage of our paychecks.

 

[Fast05]

Why should they have more rights than us? They make more money than we do, hence the reason they're paying more into the tax pot. When it all boils down to it, we're putting in nearly just as much of a percentage of our paychecks.

I want a bailout dammit! So I can pay off my credit card and then put a supercharger on it.....

 

[MeanMike]

Why should they have more rights than us? They make more money than we do, hence the reason they're paying more into the tax pot. When it all boils down to it, we're putting in nearly just as much of a percentage of our paychecks.

I believe they have the right because of the crazy amount's they have paid out in my opinion far out way's what they are borrowing. And no they pay a much bigger percentage than the average American does because depending on the amount you make the bigger percentage you pay. If you make $357,700.00 or above you have to pay the gov. 35% of this as of 2008 for 2009 it will go up. So this is what you would pay on that amount $125,195 and if they were to make $10,000,000.00 they pay 3.5 million in federal taxes.
So as far as I'm concerned we could cut them some slack in that department If you dont want to that's your choice. It's still no excuse for that thing they call a Camaro.



2009 Federal Income Tax Brackets (Official IRS Tax Rates)

 

[Top Speed]

I believe they have the right because of the crazy amount's they have paid out in my opinion far out way's what they are borrowing. And no they pay a much bigger percentage than the average American does because depending on the amount you make the bigger percentage you pay. If you make $357,700.00 or above you have to pay the gov. 35% of this as of 2008 for 2009 it will go up. So this is what you would pay on that amount $125,195 and if they were to make $10,000,000.00 they pay 3.5 million in federal taxes.
So as far as I'm concerned we could cut them some slack in that department If you dont want to that's your choice. It's still no excuse for that thing they call a Camaro.



2009 Federal Income Tax Brackets (Official IRS Tax Rates)

I think you're missing my point. What I'm saying is that it's all relative. For example, let's say we spend $100. $1000 may be the "equilvalent" to them of $100.

 

[Fast05]

I think you're missing my point. What I'm saying is that it's all relative. For example, let's say we spend $100. $1000 may be the "equilvalent" to them of $100.

It may seem like our corporate taxes are some of the highest in the world, but there are plenty of loophools and ways to work the system that these corporations get away with paying much less than what they should. Either way, just because one pays more in taxes does not entitle them to any more rights than someone who pays less taxes.