Shaolin Crane
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LoL at the pushrod being better than the modular comments.
Get out of the 90's, technology is a wonderful thing.
funny how brandX is still using pushrods
LoL at the pushrod being better than the modular comments.
Get out of the 90's, technology is a wonderful thing.
funny how brandX is still using pushrods
My god are you guys really still
What gives you any indication that it will ever end?
Let me break it down:
Coyote 5.0 > Windsor 5.0. This is fact. I'm sorry, that's just how it is. It is superior to the Windsor in every single mechanical aspect possible. Trying to defy this fact is futile.
GM small blocks vs. Ford small blocks are apples to oranges. You may as well drag in every other manufacturer's V8 out there. How about BMW? The current M3 has a 4.0 V8 that makes 420hp and 295tq and redlines at 8300rpm. It's credited as being the lightest V8 in the world. Is that a fair comparison to the Windsor 302? Probably about as fair of a comparison as either the Coyote or GM small blocks.
Coyote 5.0 > Windsor 5.0. This is fact. I'm sorry, that's just how it is. It is superior to the Windsor in every single mechanical aspect possible. Trying to defy this fact is futile.
if the mod motors were so much better than pusrod stuff then i think you would see a whole lot more 2V and 4V swaps then people just building an aftermarket block windsor motor or god forbid an LS swap.
To me the only advantage that i would ever build a modular over a pushrod is that the factory blocks can handle some serious HP, but there are a whole ton of moving parts and the heads have 2x the ammount of stuff a windsor motor does, so when you go to rebuild that motor, its gonna cost you a ton more.
The "extra moving parts" argument against the Modular’s ludicrous and shows just how inexperienced (dare I say ignorant) some people are with regards to these engines. Extra moving parts in this case means the ability to run tighter tolerances and more accurate timing components, but otherwise has nothing at all to do with hindering functionality or reliability. The fact that they make more horsepower, with less displacement and run for 300-400K needing little more than regular oil changes proves as much.
Very well put.Once you buy an aftermarket 302 block and build it, it's not even a Ford engine anymore as far as i'm concerned since you can LITERALLY build an entire "302" with zero Ford parts. You're getting into a whole different realm there and comparing the two is again apples to oranges. You may as well say "well a Man-O-War tall deck 302 stroked to 370ci running 9k RPM is waaaay superior to the Coyote". That's dumb.
Don't get me wrong...i'm a 302 guy at heart, but don't let your feelings and nostalgia cloud the facts. Compare WHAT IS and not what could be after you spend thousands modifying something. Give it 10 years and lets see how far the Coyote has come.
Once you buy an aftermarket 302 block and build it, it's not even a Ford engine anymore as far as i'm concerned since you can LITERALLY build an entire "302" with zero Ford parts. You're getting into a whole different realm there and comparing the two is again apples to oranges. You may as well say "well a Man-O-War tall deck 302 stroked to 370ci running 9k RPM is waaaay superior to the Coyote". That's dumb.
Don't get me wrong...i'm a 302 guy at heart, but don't let your feelings and nostalgia cloud the facts. Compare WHAT IS and not what could be after you spend thousands modifying something. Give it 10 years and lets see how far the Coyote has come.
and yet cost for the cost they would still come out to the same price, being that the crate engine will probably be 10-12k and make 400hp, or an aftermarket "non ford" ford engine will make a ****load more power than the coyote, so i'll stick to my original argument, all i give a **** about is power, and how i make that power and the pushrod is still cheaper and more superior to that aspectOnce you buy an aftermarket 302 block and build it, it's not even a Ford engine anymore as far as i'm concerned since you can LITERALLY build an entire "302" with zero Ford parts. You're getting into a whole different realm there and comparing the two is again apples to oranges. You may as well say "well a Man-O-War tall deck 302 stroked to 370ci running 9k RPM is waaaay superior to the Coyote". That's dumb.
Don't get me wrong...i'm a 302 guy at heart, but don't let your feelings and nostalgia cloud the facts. Compare WHAT IS and not what could be after you spend thousands modifying something. Give it 10 years and lets see how far the Coyote has come.