2011 V6s are gonna piss me off I know it

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You're telling me you bought an 8 year old Mustang GT for $3900 bucks and it wasn't a pile? With all due respect, I call complete BS.



Right, but your car isn't what I wanted. FYI, stock cars are worth more than modified ones, and the last thing I wanted was someone else's modified problem with mods I may or may not have wanted.

While I think it's incredibly childish to bring up my thread in a discussion about new V6 Mustangs, as it has zero relevance to this discussion, perhaps I should remind you guys of a few things:

--I live in Japan, and bought the car from overseas. Not a lot of dealers were willing to deal with that. I needed a dealer willing to work with me. My dealer turned out to be more incompetent than I expected, but they did work with me and get the car in my driveway and in my name, from out of state, and while I'm 7,000 miles away. Living in Japan also basically rules out private sellers, I don't blame them for not wanting to send a title to me and trust that I'll transfer it over. I know when I sell a car, I make the guy I transfer it to go to the DMV with me to make sure he actually does transfer it so it's no longer my legal responsibility. I wouldn't deal with an overseas buyer as a private seller, nor would I expect one to deal with me. Obviously private sellers are cheaper, but I was basically limited to dealers. I also avoided a private seller to protect myself, because who's to say that they will send me the title after I send them the money? No guarantee there.

--I needed the car shipped. Again, some dealers weren't willing to bother doing this, even without mentioning I was overseas. I found a black '98 GT, 30k miles, all original, mint, in Alabama. Dealer wanted $10k before negotiation. Before even bringing that up, I asked about shipping. They told me I'd have to arrange it on my own, that they don't/won't work with me on that. Screw that, they want the sale, they can call a transport truck and arrange delivery.

--That car wasn't really what I wanted. Cloth seats, 16" wheels, no Mach 460. I wanted leather, 17" wheels, and Mach. They weren't going to drop their price from $10k to $5k. I highly doubt they would've went down to $7k.

--Again, even if I had wanted that car, it would've cost about $1000 to ship it. Same can be said for the few other cars I liked. Always in California, or in the south.

--I live in the north. We ALWAYS pay more for clean cars, end of story. The cheapness of cars in the south/west is negated by expensive shipping costs to the north. Shipping is also a bit of a hassle as it is, price aside.

--The car I bought is the car I wanted. Black/black, MINT, 17s, leather, 5-speed, 460. 2-owners, non-abused unmolested car. Not a single ding or scratch on it. This is also going to be a slightly more desirable Mustang than say, a Forest Green Automatic, and easy as pie to sell later. Gonna have to pay a little more.

--Once you factor tax savings on the lower price compared to the $10k the dealer wanted, I saved over $2,000 from what the dealer was asking. That's 20%. Dealers aren't going to give their cars away, and that was after a week of negotiating.

--That car happened to be in Iowa, just 300 miles away. This means it didn't cost me $1000 to ship it. It was exactly what I wanted, at a dealer willing to work with me, and literally a straight shot off the highway passing right through St. Paul. It was kind of a no-brainer.

Keep in mind, I had a lot more constraints on my purchase than someone living in the US. I did pretty damn good to get it from a dealer for $7800 with exactly what I wanted, and mint. I was willing to pay a slight premium to get exactly what I wanted in terms of color and options, and most importantly condition.

But as has been said, on the internet everyone pays some ridiculously low price for their car, and claims up and down it's super clean and mint. Sorry, I don't always buy that. Look around, here's what's currently on Autotrader, completely ignoring the $30k cars:

98 GT, 28k miles:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in Willowbrook, IL 60527: Coupe Details - 290483705 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, automatic, cloth, same miles, badly stained carpet, slightly warped rear bumper, $10k:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT Coupe in Waterbury, CT 06708: Coupe Details - 295435669 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, 140k miles, $9k:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in Milwaukee, OR 97267: Coupe Details - 297425178 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, same mileage, it's a beauty but it's an auto with tan interior, and in California:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in Sacramento, CA 95815: Coupe Details - 295086983 - AutoTrader.com

97 GT, 46k miles but tan interior, auto, permamark on the trunk lid from a dealer sticker, and missing a piece of ugly side trim, $8k:

Cars for Sale: 1997 Ford Mustang GT in Selden, NY 11784: Coupe Details - 295024362 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, 74k miles, passenger door has a bad paint match, so probably hit on the side, and wires hanging out of the dash and pep boys pedals, $7350. Rest of the paint is difficult to assess. Condition just deteriorates from here at this price point:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in New Philadelphia, OH 44663: Coupe Details - 294634728 - AutoTrader.com

See where I'm going with this? There are 50 more where those came from. I'm not sure where people are getting these $3k-$6k mint SN 95s with the options I've listed, I'd like to see some, because a nationwide search doesn't yield any. There isn't anything mint going below that, and even the above aren't really mint for the most part. Did I pay more according to some people on the internet? Maybe, but I certainly didn't pay out of line compared to what the rest of the cars are being listed at in reality. I certainly could've done a lot worse, but I don't really see where I could've done much better given what's currently on Autotrader, let alone with the constraints I had.

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Back on topic--All I've maintained is that a $30k V6 Mustang isn't worth it, IMO, and I've got people jumping down my throat about it as if to say I can't dare say a bad thing about Ford or have a differing opinion. Hell, I even agreed with the one guy on a couple points and he put me on ignore over a disagreement on the perceived value of a new Mustang? Instead of having a discussion, or addressing any of my points, he decides instead to just put me on ignore. At least I rationalized my thoughts as to why. If you disagree, that's fine, but at least have a civilized discussion about it rather than calling me a troll or putting me on ignore.

dude you seriously got RIPPED, i paid 6,800 for my 97gt 6yrs ago and at only 54,000 miles and in excellent condition. these dealers are way to proud for there cars. i bought my wifes 07 300 touring edition for $10,500, the dealer wanted 16,5, blue book was 18,9. so you got ripped so admit it:D
 
You're telling me you bought an 8 year old Mustang GT for $3900 bucks and it wasn't a pile? With all due respect, I call complete BS.



Right, but your car isn't what I wanted. FYI, stock cars are worth more than modified ones, and the last thing I wanted was someone else's modified problem with mods I may or may not have wanted.

While I think it's incredibly childish to bring up my thread in a discussion about new V6 Mustangs, as it has zero relevance to this discussion, perhaps I should remind you guys of a few things:

--I live in Japan, and bought the car from overseas. Not a lot of dealers were willing to deal with that. I needed a dealer willing to work with me. My dealer turned out to be more incompetent than I expected, but they did work with me and get the car in my driveway and in my name, from out of state, and while I'm 7,000 miles away. Living in Japan also basically rules out private sellers, I don't blame them for not wanting to send a title to me and trust that I'll transfer it over. I know when I sell a car, I make the guy I transfer it to go to the DMV with me to make sure he actually does transfer it so it's no longer my legal responsibility. I wouldn't deal with an overseas buyer as a private seller, nor would I expect one to deal with me. Obviously private sellers are cheaper, but I was basically limited to dealers. I also avoided a private seller to protect myself, because who's to say that they will send me the title after I send them the money? No guarantee there.

--I needed the car shipped. Again, some dealers weren't willing to bother doing this, even without mentioning I was overseas. I found a black '98 GT, 30k miles, all original, mint, in Alabama. Dealer wanted $10k before negotiation. Before even bringing that up, I asked about shipping. They told me I'd have to arrange it on my own, that they don't/won't work with me on that. Screw that, they want the sale, they can call a transport truck and arrange delivery.

--That car wasn't really what I wanted. Cloth seats, 16" wheels, no Mach 460. I wanted leather, 17" wheels, and Mach. They weren't going to drop their price from $10k to $5k. I highly doubt they would've went down to $7k.

--Again, even if I had wanted that car, it would've cost about $1000 to ship it. Same can be said for the few other cars I liked. Always in California, or in the south.

--I live in the north. We ALWAYS pay more for clean cars, end of story. The cheapness of cars in the south/west is negated by expensive shipping costs to the north. Shipping is also a bit of a hassle as it is, price aside.

--The car I bought is the car I wanted. Black/black, MINT, 17s, leather, 5-speed, 460. 2-owners, non-abused unmolested car. Not a single ding or scratch on it. This is also going to be a slightly more desirable Mustang than say, a Forest Green Automatic, and easy as pie to sell later. Gonna have to pay a little more.

--Once you factor tax savings on the lower price compared to the $10k the dealer wanted, I saved over $2,000 from what the dealer was asking. That's 20%. Dealers aren't going to give their cars away, and that was after a week of negotiating.

--That car happened to be in Iowa, just 300 miles away. This means it didn't cost me $1000 to ship it. It was exactly what I wanted, at a dealer willing to work with me, and literally a straight shot off the highway passing right through St. Paul. It was kind of a no-brainer.

Keep in mind, I had a lot more constraints on my purchase than someone living in the US. I did pretty damn good to get it from a dealer for $7800 with exactly what I wanted, and mint. I was willing to pay a slight premium to get exactly what I wanted in terms of color and options, and most importantly condition.

But as has been said, on the internet everyone pays some ridiculously low price for their car, and claims up and down it's super clean and mint. Sorry, I don't always buy that. Look around, here's what's currently on Autotrader, completely ignoring the $30k cars:

98 GT, 28k miles:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in Willowbrook, IL 60527: Coupe Details - 290483705 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, automatic, cloth, same miles, badly stained carpet, slightly warped rear bumper, $10k:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT Coupe in Waterbury, CT 06708: Coupe Details - 295435669 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, 140k miles, $9k:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in Milwaukee, OR 97267: Coupe Details - 297425178 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, same mileage, it's a beauty but it's an auto with tan interior, and in California:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in Sacramento, CA 95815: Coupe Details - 295086983 - AutoTrader.com

97 GT, 46k miles but tan interior, auto, permamark on the trunk lid from a dealer sticker, and missing a piece of ugly side trim, $8k:

Cars for Sale: 1997 Ford Mustang GT in Selden, NY 11784: Coupe Details - 295024362 - AutoTrader.com

98 GT, 74k miles, passenger door has a bad paint match, so probably hit on the side, and wires hanging out of the dash and pep boys pedals, $7350. Rest of the paint is difficult to assess. Condition just deteriorates from here at this price point:

Cars for Sale: 1998 Ford Mustang GT in New Philadelphia, OH 44663: Coupe Details - 294634728 - AutoTrader.com

See where I'm going with this? There are 50 more where those came from. I'm not sure where people are getting these $3k-$6k mint SN 95s with the options I've listed, I'd like to see some, because a nationwide search doesn't yield any. There isn't anything mint going below that, and even the above aren't really mint for the most part. Did I pay more according to some people on the internet? Maybe, but I certainly didn't pay out of line compared to what the rest of the cars are being listed at in reality. I certainly could've done a lot worse, but I don't really see where I could've done much better given what's currently on Autotrader, let alone with the constraints I had.

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Back on topic--All I've maintained is that a $30k V6 Mustang isn't worth it, IMO, and I've got people jumping down my throat about it as if to say I can't dare say a bad thing about Ford or have a differing opinion. Hell, I even agreed with the one guy on a couple points and he put me on ignore over a disagreement on the perceived value of a new Mustang? Instead of having a discussion, or addressing any of my points, he decides instead to just put me on ignore. At least I rationalized my thoughts as to why. If you disagree, that's fine, but at least have a civilized discussion about it rather than calling me a troll or putting me on ignore.

Your GT looks really nice. But like everyone is saying, you paid waaaaay too much for it. Showing off those links doesn't help justify that you grossly overpaid, it just shows that there are people out there who have no idea that their cars are not worth what they think they are.

People bring YOUR car into the discussion because you said that the new V6s are too expensive. You complain that they're too expensive yet you are willing to OVERPAY on a 13 year old NPI GT? You could have gotten a Cobra in good shape for that money. Have a problem with the price of a new V6/GT? Wait and buy a low mileage used one for thousands less.

And yes, you can certainly get clean GTs for MUCH less than what you paid. Granted mine had more miles but I paid less than half of that and mine was clean. You're kidding yourself to say that those of us who got a fair deal must have just gotten "****boxes," because it's FAR from the truth. :rolleyes:
 
The average V6 Mustang doesn't cost $30K. You can option them that way, but most are going to be a lot less.

I bought my 98 Cobra in January for $9000. It has 112,000, but it came with a Vortec, full fuel system, mm coilovers, konis, panhard bar, guages, 3 sets of wheels (1 with race tires), shifter, all the stock parts, and probably something else I'm forgetting.
 
The average V6 Mustang doesn't cost $30K. You can option them that way, but most are going to be a lot less.

I bought my 98 Cobra in January for $9000. It has 112,000, but it came with a Vortec, full fuel system, mm coilovers, konis, panhard bar, guages, 3 sets of wheels (1 with race tires), shifter, all the stock parts, and probably something else I'm forgetting.

:nice:you want your money back:D
 
Funny, I don't see anyone showing me any listings for what I should've paid for my car. Dealers aren't going to let their cars go for half of their price, plain and simple. Show me some of these dealer listings for dirt cheap, mint SN95s. I haven't seen too many stock, mint Cobras in the sub $8k range. I've seen 100k+ mile modified ones, that are clean, but not mint.

Believe it or not there are a lot of GTs selling for upwards of $15k on Autotrader, I didn't even show those.

Also, not all of us care about whether or not the car is NPI. The general public doesn't care either, so it's not like that's a huge value hit. I could've bought a new edge, but I don't like the styling one bit. I'm not modding it, and it's my year round daily driver, so I'm not really concerned that it's NPI.

$9k for a modified 98 Cobra with over 100k miles sounds about right.

Point is, whether you say I overpaid, this or that, whatever, it makes no difference when those are the prices the cars are going for, proven by a nationwide search and the listings. It doesn't really make sense to compare a purchase from two months ago to a purchase 4-5 years ago, because obviously if you bought your car several years ago, you probably aren't looking and haven't been looking at current prices. The listings don't lie.

My car is mint, and it's exactly what I wanted, and I was able to find a dealer willing to work with my constraints. $600 lousy dollars over book isn't massively overpaying, sorry. It's not.

Again, show me some $4k 98 GTs at dealers that are bone stock, mint, and heavily optioned. I don't mean clean, I mean truly mint. Everybody's talking, but nobody's producing.
 
Funny, I don't see anyone showing me any listings for what I should've paid for my car. Dealers aren't going to let their cars go for half of their price, plain and simple. Show me some of these dealer listings for dirt cheap, mint SN95s. I haven't seen too many stock, mint Cobras in the sub $8k range. I've seen 100k+ mile modified ones, that are clean, but not mint.

Believe it or not there are a lot of GTs selling for upwards of $15k on Autotrader, I didn't even show those.

Also, not all of us care about whether or not the car is NPI. The general public doesn't care either, so it's not like that's a huge value hit. I could've bought a new edge, but I don't like the styling one bit. I'm not modding it, and it's my year round daily driver, so I'm not really concerned that it's NPI.

$9k for a modified 98 Cobra with over 100k miles sounds about right.

Point is, whether you say I overpaid, this or that, whatever, it makes no difference when those are the prices the cars are going for, proven by a nationwide search and the listings. It doesn't really make sense to compare a purchase from two months ago to a purchase 4-5 years ago, because obviously if you bought your car several years ago, you probably aren't looking and haven't been looking at current prices. The listings don't lie.

My car is mint, and it's exactly what I wanted, and I was able to find a dealer willing to work with my constraints. $600 lousy dollars over book isn't massively overpaying, sorry. It's not.

Again, show me some $4k 98 GTs at dealers that are bone stock, mint, and heavily optioned. I don't mean clean, I mean truly mint. Everybody's talking, but nobody's producing.

heres how your dealer did it, he did 1 of 2. 1 he bought the car auction, paid 25-35% less then trade-in (fair cond) which is approx $4200. or 2 he gave approx $4200 trade-in (fair cond). if its a private dealer he bought the car at auction. used car dealers hardly ever trade, they buy at auctions and pay little to nothing for them. half the cars that go thru auctions have been repaired without report. that meens they dont report them to insurance or comply with local and state laws. so here in my area that car retails for only $7700. hell a 98 cobra completly loaded go for $10,8 and cobra converts go for $12,2. face it dude you got pulled and you know it.
 
heres how your dealer did it, he did 1 of 2. 1 he bought the car auction, paid 25-35% less then trade-in (fair cond) which is approx $4200. or 2 he gave approx $4200 trade-in (fair cond). if its a private dealer he bought the car at auction. used car dealers hardly ever trade, they buy at auctions and pay little to nothing for them. half the cars that go thru auctions have been repaired without report. that meens they dont report them to insurance or comply with local and state laws. so here in my area that car retails for only $7700. hell a 98 cobra completly loaded go for $10,8 and cobra converts go for $12,2. face it dude you got pulled and you know it.

The car was a local trade.

So, I'll even play along here and assume my mint car was traded for "fair" condition value, which is kind of bogus because the car isn't in "fair" condition and the guy who traded it likely knew that and didn't trade unless he felt the price he was getting was decent. But I'll play along with your fair condition trade value of $4200. If my dealer took the car in at $4200, did a few basic services and detailed it (which they did), let's say that puts the dealer out $4500, which is probably realistic given they get stuff cheap, etc. So at $4500 in, why would they take a measly $5k, or even $6k for it? No dealer is going to sell that car for anything close to what they have in it, otherwise what's the point of taking it on trade in the first place? Surely you realize that. It's pretty much a no brainer that they have large profit margins on used cars.

How did I get pulled if the car values at $7700 in California, and I paid $7800 in the north? All you've shown is I paid more or less spot on what it's worth to an insurance company who'll pay out in an accident.

What I do see though is you telling me the car trades in fair condition at $4200, retailing at $7700 today in 4/2011, and several people in this thread saying they paid HALF (~$3900, or certainly well under $5k) for my car, several years ago. So if a car trades at $4200 in 2011, how are these people claiming they bought their car several years ago for less than the 2011 trade in value?

If you're trying to show I got ripped off, you're not doing a very good job by telling me that I paid the retail value of the car. All you're really doing is showing that people in this thread claiming they paid less than today's trade-in value 5 years ago are full of crap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-R...7893238?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5643653376

heres one on ebay, however its a convert, which technicly and it does prove worth more then a coupe looks like its mint and is beautiful

What I see is an auction with two full days left and 19 bids sitting at $5200.

I also don't see a mint car--I see a clean car, and there's a big difference. It's nice, but I see a car with door panels coming apart, a pretty dirty convertible top, and a little wear on the center of the steering wheel. I can also see how dirty the steering wheel is, what that cover is hiding. The top of the rear bumper also has the typical SN95 warping, which is an eyesore. Clean, not mint--big difference. The bumper is a deal breaker, and if that wasn't, the dirty top would be. The automatic is unfortunate. So I see that "clean" car currently sitting at $5200 with two days left and 19 bids.

Again, even if the car doesn't go a penny higher than $5200 (which it will), I couldn't buy off ebay if I wanted to (nor would I, too unsafe). And, it's again, not what I wanted. Normally I'd say verts are worth more, but it's kind of hard to say that considering probably 1/4 of all Mustangs built are verts, and at that age, coupe vs. vert doesn't make a terribly huge difference in price like it does when a car is much newer. I see more vert Mustangs than any other car on the road, generally.

But ok, there's one that may or may not prove to be a better deal. I can find 15 more worse values for every better deal you find. I never said I got the deal of the century, so obviously there are always going to be better deals, but I did get a fair deal, especially compared to the rest of the market.

I like my car, I like what I paid for it, what difference does it make to anyone else? I got a damn nice car, exactly what I wanted--didn't have to compromise on anything.
 
I payed $6500 out the door on my car, a bone stock highly optioned 2000 Gt with 81K on the clock. The dealer wanted 10K, told him I would give him half that and we worked up to $6500. He got the car as a trade in for $5500. So he made money and I saved money. Deals are out there.

Back on topic:

I could never own a V6 Mustang. I respect the power and how nice they are but I did not buy my car for gas mileage or for its great DD characteristics. I wanted a muscle car, so i bought one. Same deal would be if I bought a new one, but 40K for a 302 Boss, is way too much.
 
fast97GT said:
i bought my wifes 07 300 touring edition for $10,500, the dealer wanted 16,5, blue book was 18,9

With all due respect, if that really did happen great, but it sounds extremely far fetched. That's basically what it would sell for with a salvage title.
 
With all due respect, if that really did happen great, but it sounds extremely far fetched. That's basically what it would sell for with a salvage title.

hahaha, ya i hear ya, if all the paper work wasnt case sensarive id scan it and post it. of course there gonna tell ya its a local trade, dealers and lawyers sit at the same table when it all comes to an end. no dealer in this world is gonna give top dollar for a trade in wether its local or not, "mint" or not. dont worry man you can cry on my shoulders for gettin bent.
 
or just wire up some nitrous and crush some kids hopes and dreams when he comes to pick on the older lesser model lol. I wouldnt worry about it man there will always be something coming out thats better and faster. I felt the sameway when the new 5.0 came out and started getting forced induction and cracking 10s. I have more money in mods on my car than its worth really why sell it.

im actually selling my mercedes to put more into the mustang cause that gets 29mpg but isnt all that much more beneficial over the mustang cause it comes with a hefty payment. luxury and quiet is nice but eh having more in my pocket each month is better and besides im only 23 so there will be more on down the line.

Point being just keep your car enjoy it and just remember back when you bought it how excited you were. I remember why i love my stang more than the mercedes every time i drive the stang. (except for when a turn comes up then i remember that its just a mustang and not a mercedes lol)
 
Well said.

We are all enthusiasts here and each bought the car for a reason. Enjoy the hell out of what you have because there is always going to be something out there "better".
 
Mint condition, hmm lemme see, a 71 hemi cuda convertible with EVERYTHING original and less then 84k miles and 1 owner and sat in a garage for the last 25yrs... That's mint, not a 98gt that's been serviced more the a doe lookin for hookie on the corner or stickers and I'd tags that are still visibly ledgeble, not something that's been resold at a dealer that's been detailed and cleaned, but wait the one on ebay. Didn't you say that it was cleaned very well. Heck that means it could be mint too. Dude get real your car is a 98gt that has been "traded" for and detailed and sold to you for too much. As far the 300 deal, it was a repo, and auction bought. The dealer I bought it from paid 7100 at aution detailed it (to mint) condition then I came along and bought for $10,5