Odometer Fraud, Title washing & forged signature, bill of sale forged notary and repair questions

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Exactly what everyone has been trying to tell you. This is a legal MESS and the only one who is screwed right now is YOU! This " cool guy" broke laws and f'd you. I really don't think you understand the situation. You can NEVER legally drive, plate or sell that car. Perhaps the guy who had his name forged can straighten it out but the legal ownership stops with him. You sir have a mess on your hands.


You guys aren't hearing me. The "cool guy" is the legal owner on the front of the title. He sold the mustang to a**hole guy for $3,500. Then that guy never registered it, never signed the title. He kept the car and immediately sold it two months later to me. The legal owner on the title didn't know that a**hole guy forged his information from the printed front of the title to the back part. And forged his signature as well.

I saw the guys information on the title and looked him up on the Internet and called him. He's going to the police today because that a**hole forged his information on the title. I said he's cool because he said he'd work with me to bring this a**hole down and put him in jail.

I also said if I "CAN'T" get my money back, then the legal owner of the title before it got into this guys hands, would get me a new title with the real mileage not tampered with. A**hole was given a real title with the real mileage of 158k. He's the one that tampered with it in order to sell it as a low mile car. Me and this other guy are working together to put this guy in jail! Get it now?
 
Plus with a messed up title the car cannot be sold by you or licensed or insured return it and get your money back it is as simple as that.

If it were that simple, I would have done it by now. I told you guys, supposedly his friend is flying in to LAX on Thursday with my money and I'm giving the car back. "Supposedly". How will I know that it's not counterfeit if this does happen? If he doesn't show, then yea I'm stuck with the car and will have no choice but to do best with it.
 
actually the more I think about it, this guy joe may actually be liable from a legal standpoint as in most states it is the owners responsibility to make sure the car is transferred out of his/her name. just like if you drove the car and had a catastropic accident joe could be sued for any damages incurred, the guy you bought it from may not be liable in that case since he was never technically an owner, nor are you thus far.

So I would explore having joe buy back the car as he is still legally the owner. It would be screwing him but he screwed up by not getting it out of his name. There is a lot of culpability floating around on this. on the other hand If you wanted to IMO get this thing legal in your name this guy joe is the key, I thing he would have to go with you to the DMV and explain the situation. I do think the creep who sold you the car coud have legal implications as well but not the same as "joe". but I definetly am not a lawer so take it all with a grain of salt its just my opine.

Yea. Worst case scenario "Joe" said he would go to the DMV with me and sort this all out.
 
Well maybe not, as previously stated the creep never legally owned the car its as if he never existed. At least it seems that way to me. Prolly best to consult a lawyer at this point. just call around and ask for a free consultation.

Exactly! That's what I'm trying to say. The only thing that guy is involved legally in this is paying for the car, that's it. He chose not to sign the title, so that's his fault.
 
actually, yes he did. he is an owner as he completed a purchase of the vehicle and until his "after the sale" actions that sale was legal. it is the buyers responsibility to assign the title to their name, not the sellers in a non dealer auto sale. any attempt to make the douche that sold him the vehicle disappear and only use the original owner as the seller is just as illegal as what is going on now. "Joe" sold the vehicle legally and in good faith, you can't touch him. Although he is probably a person i would want on my side through this whole ordeal as he can vouch for the sale and probably will save the new owner in the end if this has to go to court (which i doubt it will).

We all seem to be forgetting that there is a registered legal document involved now that shows the illegality of the whole thing. That is not going to go away regardless of what private individuals decide to do. You have a totally screwed up title with mileage changed, signatures forged and an owner missing. You have a vehicle with a tampered odometer. This is not an easy fix if done legally.

That's what I'm telling you! "Joe" is on my side! I told him that the punk he sold the car to forged his name on the title and tampered with the miles on the title. That's identity theft and now he knows and is going to the police about it.
 
no he wouldn't. he never sold you anything and is not responsible in the least bit. he is an interested party in all this, but owes you nothing.

I'm not saying he "owes me". I'm saying we talked and he said he will help me figure this mess out and make it legal for me, if I'm "stuck" with the car. That's why I said he's a nice, cool guy.
 
you already have your mind made up on what your going to do. if douche gives your money back and takes the car then chalk it up to experience. the rest of your "ideas" for title are illegal, regardless of how you cover the tracks. do as you will, but remember you have posted the entire story on a forum board and two other people are involved that owe you nothing. while it may never come up you will always have to wonder if it will.
 
I'm not saying he "owes me". I'm saying we talked and he said he will help me figure this mess out and make it legal for me, if I'm "stuck" with the car. That's why I said he's a nice, cool guy.
figure of speech, he wants this to go away too. but in the end he really has no responsibility in the matter. and you're gonna need his help sounds like
 
Basically ALL the people that this a**hile forged signatures of, I looked them up and let them know. Now they are on my side against this tool, to do whatever we can to bring this guy down and put his a** in jail! I figured the police wouldn't listen to just me but if people are upset about their identity being stolen, maybe they will listen then?
 
Basically ALL the people that this a**hile forged signatures of, I looked them up and let them know. Now they are on my side against this tool, to do whatever we can to bring this guy down and put his a** in jail! I figured the police wouldn't listen to just me but if people are upset about their identity being stolen, maybe they will listen then?
they will listen, so will the secretary of states office. don't forget about them
 
figure of speech, he wants this to go away too. but in the end he really has no responsibility in the matter. and you're gonna need his help sounds like

Trust me I know that. But seeing I told him his information was forged, he wants to get back at this guy and obviously feels bad for me. It was his wife's car, she's coming to LA in a couple weeks and said if I end up stuck with the car, they'd like to help me out and get it legal for me.
 
Start with the police department of the city you bought it in.. A local lawyer for consultation and the states attorney Generals office where you purchased the car
 
Why can't you call the police something isn't adding up here. Why waste more money

Because I'm trying to get my money back first. I figure if anything, I bring the car to him then it will be easier to meet me and give me back my money. If he doesn't meet me then I have the car to "show" the police on the spot.