A better v6 eventually?

[351CJ]

Ford is on the right track with there 3 valve SOHC V8s.

You are correct sir!

The 2005 4.6L 3 valve engine puts out almost as much HP & Torque as the 2003 - 2004 4.6L DOHC 4 valve engine (Mach 1) and it does it on regular 87 octane, not the 91 octance the Mach 1 engine requires!

The SOHC 3V heads are 90% - 95% as good as DOHC 4 valve heads, but they are physically significantly smaller, lighter and lower cost to manufacture.

The SOHC 3V heads flow almost as well as the DOHC 4V heads making the biggest advantage of DOHC the ability to independently vary the intake and exhaust cam timing. But I doubt that Ford will implement dual VVT on its DOHC engines any time soon.

 

[mustang sallad]

HP is actually almost meaningless on a street car. The only thing that counts is torque and at how low an RPM you get that torque. I bet that the new 4.0 V6 is a huge improvement over the old 3.8 V6.

if that's the case, gimme a prius! 295lb-ft at 0-1200rpm!

what? who said that?
hahaha
anyways, i started this thread not so much cause i wanted to see the v6 with higher performance, but rather because 4 litres sounded like a pretty big engine for the performance it does put out. but i hadn't seen any torque numbers, those sound pretty good. But that new duratech sounds pretty sweet. If they could slip that in the stang, with maybe a bit more power, like 220 or something, that'd sound a bit more in line with whats out there. There is a pretty big, unproportional gap between $20K for 200hp and $25K for 300hp. But yeah, i agree that keeping the price down is essential.

 

[Z28x]

if that's the case, gimme a prius! 295lb-ft at 0-1200rpm!

Until the gas engine kicks in and you get 82 lb.-ft. @ 4,200 rpm

 

[mustang sallad]

Until the gas engine kicks in and you get 82 lb.-ft. @ 4,200 rpm

yup, but hey, its great for pulling those tree stumps once you're done hugging 'em.

i guess that's why hybrid pick ups and trucks make more sense then hybrid cars. i want a hybrid escape with that funky roof rack that folds down onto the back! the first time i saw one of those racks, i was checking it out, trying to see how it works and so forth, only to realize the guy was sitting in his parked car. he was a little nervous... hahaha, good times

 

[351CJ]

There is a pretty big, unproportional gap between $20K for 200hp and $25K for 300hp.

25% higher price for 50% more HP. That doesn't sound disproportional to me.

 

[mustang sallad]

25% higher price for 50% more HP. That doesn't sound disproportional to me.

not that its a bad thing, but i think that's the definition of disproportionate. what i'm saying is that compared to the v6, the gt is a sweet deal. Don't they always say the last bit of hp costs the most, ie disproportionate in the other direction. Usually you might end up paying like 50% more for 25% more power, maybe not exactly, but you get my idea.
Obviously i'm not saying the gt should cost more or put out less power, who would say that. It would just make more sense to me if the v6 put out more like 220 or 230 hp, but as people have said, this brings up certain issues, like insurance and cost. Whatever, i think a sub $20K, 200hp mustang is a pretty sweet deal anyways, its just that the gt is an even better deal.

 

[Alternator]

"If you want performance you should go for the gt", "People who buy v6s want a low cost/insurance car". All of these statements repeated in this thread are obvious. Bottom line is, Ford could have produced a 220-230 v6 mustang and still keep it under $20,000. Question is, why didnt they? There would still be that noticeable difference between the baseline model (70-80 hp) and the gt.

 

[ryanrule]

they coulda, but they would have had less profit

 

[351CJ]

". Bottom line is, Ford could have produced a 220-230 v6 mustang and still keep it under $20,000. Question is, why didnt they?

Because the average V6 customer doesn't even know what a HP is. All they care about is if the car looks cool and they are happy driving it.

 

[shlby123]

What Ford has been telling the us at the corporate office in Dallas, is that the current engine is slated to stay in the V6 model for one to two years (they're leaning more towards one..but we all know Ford!) Then the 3.5 will replace a majority of the V6 variations all the way through Ford's lines...like the the new 500 Sedan and Montego will be receiving an upgraded version of this Duratec about the same time the mustang will...Montego+AWD+3.5L Duratec=Hopefully something worth racing against Subaru (with some mods of course!)....But technically it can all still be considered speculation...

 

[Alternator]

Because the average V6 customer doesn't even know what a HP is. All they care about is if the car looks cool and they are happy driving it.

I'd have to disagree with that. I see just as many seniors and girls driving gt's as v6s. I am not disputing the fact that most of the buyers who want performance will get a gt. I'm just saying that a lot people who get the v6 would like to see better performance. Hell, there are quite a few family sedans out there pushing 260hp.

 

[351CJ]

I'd have to disagree with that. I see just as many seniors and girls driving gt's as v6s. I am not disputing the fact that most of the buyers who want performance will get a gt. I'm just saying that a lot people who get the v6 would like to see better performance. Hell, there are quite a few family sedans out there pushing 260hp.

I have to disagree with you disagreement. Most of those seniors who are driving GT's are old gearheads who know thier *****. Just because you get old doesn't mean you forget what HP is.

Regarding "as many girls and and seniors driving GT's as V6's" I disagree again. Your statement is impossible because the V6 significantly outsells the the GT (60% V6 - 40% GT), In addition, Ford's own statistics say that V6 sale are heavily weighted to females.

Many of the people who are whining for a performance V6 Mustang keep comparing it to cars that have high HP V6's (250 - 280 HP). But they seem to forget that those "high" HP V6's are the top engine for those cars. That is there is not a V8 option on those cars.

The fact is simple, given that there is a 300 HP V8 model of the 05 Stang and there will be higher HP models in later years (to over 400 HP), the market for a higher HP V6 Mustang is very small. I agree that there is a market for a higher HP V6 Mustang, but that market is fairly small. Small enough to question the economics of making a higher HP V6 model.

 

[65conv50]

I have to disagree with you disagreement. Most of those seniors who are driving GT's are old gearheads who know thier *****. Just because you get old doesn't mean you forget what HP is.

AMEN!! But it is amazing how stoopid some people are regarding age and cars. Some kid yelled at my son (36 years old) the other day that he was too old for his car (a 2000 2.3L Z-3 roadster). Then I overheard some kids in an SUV at a traffic light this week saying about me:" Look at that Trans-Am and an old man driving it!"). They turned left at the light before I could tell them "Wrong on both counts: It's a Formula, faster than a TA, and youth has nothing to do with the calendar!!"

But at 62, I certainly enjoy both of my fast cars just as much as somebody 25 and why not?!?

 

[blue_cabo]

First of all I'm have a V6 and i got it becasue of insurance and monthly payments. now, i dont see the point of a V8 becasue of gas consumption. I would like more power with out the extra insurance and low milles per gas.
I think the Duratec V6 uses 91 oct.
Questions:
1. could i just change my 3.8v6 for the3.5v6?
2.how would it affect my insurance?
3.do i get more or less milles per gallon?

 

[95GTvert[bv12]]

First of all I'm have a V6 and i got it becasue of insurance and monthly payments. now, i dont see the point of a V8 becasue of gas consumption. I would like more power with out the extra insurance and low milles per gas.
I think the Duratec V6 uses 91 oct.
Questions:
1. could i just change my 3.8v6 for the3.5v6?
2.how would it affect my insurance?
3.do i get more or less milles per gallon?

you couldn't just switch it you, and my v8 gets 22mpg with a mix of highway and city....and 19 only city and 24 only highway with a best tank of 27.6mpg
And i don't baby it i drive fast when needed accel hard often just i use 5th more then most and i coast down hills

 

[2005 GT]

and i coast down hills

your car you

 

[szer0]

Because the average V6 customer doesn't even know what a HP is. All they care about is if the car looks cool and they are happy driving it.

That's garbage.