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I have an '04 GT 5speed with stock gears but was thinkin about gettin some new gears but not sure what would be good for a daily driver?
Gears for Daily driver 04 GT????
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FYI, when you post a thread, provide as much information as you can about your car. Fill out your profile and post a signature. That way, people can give you better advice about your setup.
With that being said and no other info. 3.73's. 4.10's do nothing except spin tires on the street unless you have the proper traction to handle it, and they do nothing at the track unless you have(again) the proper traction to handle it. Your car won't be any faster on the street with 4.10's over 3.73's unless you are dead hooking.
The benefit of 4.10's, and even more with 4.30's, is that the lower gears are ideal for the 1/4. They put you higher in the powerband and optimize your power between shifts. However, if you can't 60ft, gears are worthless.
With that being said and no other info. 3.73's. 4.10's do nothing except spin tires on the street unless you have the proper traction to handle it, and they do nothing at the track unless you have(again) the proper traction to handle it. Your car won't be any faster on the street with 4.10's over 3.73's unless you are dead hooking.
The benefit of 4.10's, and even more with 4.30's, is that the lower gears are ideal for the 1/4. They put you higher in the powerband and optimize your power between shifts. However, if you can't 60ft, gears are worthless.
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What kind of "DD" driving do you do? Do you do a lot of highway driving? If you're anal about MPG's then ANY gear is not a good idea.
+2 . Spot on.
I have 4.10s in my 2003. Car spends 90% of its life in town as its just a garaged toy. I`m very rarely on WOT (although wide do 18s help somewhat with traction ) the car has more pick up and they`ve breathed new life into it.
IF I was doing journeys then I wouldn`t have bothered changing at all. The higher rpms on the highway would have bugged the $hit out of me.
mransr
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I put 3.73's in my DD 2000GT (about 18-20,000 miles a year) and I have been THRILLED with them...IMO, they are the perfect compromise of seat-of-the-pants feel and reasonable highway driving, in fact I picked up a consistent mpg or two with the 3.73 (probably by being able to get into 5th gear a bit sooner around town)
"everybody" on the internetz always talk about more gear; but in my real world DD experience, 3.73 are the right choice...if you are more interested in a weekend toy or a 1/4 mile car then that is a different story
"everybody" on the internetz always talk about more gear; but in my real world DD experience, 3.73 are the right choice...if you are more interested in a weekend toy or a 1/4 mile car then that is a different story
I put 3.90's in my gf's 98 GT because there seemed to be some division between the 3.73 and 4.10 fans. At like 75 mph, it's turning 2500 rpms with stock 16" pony rims. Yes, you can burn the tires to dust in first gear, but you can also blow-off most other cars from a 30 mph float with no traction issues....what's your pleasure ? Back in the day, we used to all run 4.10's from the factory with 15" wheels on 70's muscle cars at highway speeds ....nothing blew apart, but then premium gas was only $.42/gal.
1fun281
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Think he meant loud as rpm wise, i dd 4.30's, and i have no complaints at all, but 90 percent of my driving is in town at about 50-55 which is about 2k in 5th which isnt unbearable at all, even on the highway (40 minutes to the track) the car turns about 3-32k idr, but its not that loud because even at a high rpm in 5th it has no load on it so just makes a cruising noise, not like 3k in first with a load on the motor its loud, if that makes sense, id reccomend atleast 4.10's
bigbird04
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3.73 put me in the drone zone but i have an ORX and flowmasters, milage isn't much worse than stock what I lost on the highway I seem to have found in town (being able to cruise around in 5th) 1st gear is so deep its nearly useless but 2nd and third pull like a mofo. If I didn't have 20 miles worth of interstate driving a day I think I would have liked 4.10s better. If you are mostly in town I would do 4.10s, If mixed 3.73s. Gears are a pain in the ass to install or expensive if you pay to have them installed, so take your time and decide what you really want.
That is what I meant, I also have longtubes and a full exhaust, just cruising at 2700-3000 rpm is freakin loud
I've got full exhaust and 4.10's too and it IS pretty noisy on the highway @ around 70.....but it's right above drone level and sounds fkn awesome!
03_TrueBlue_GT
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I have 3.73's in my 5 speed and I love them, definitely makes the car a whole new animal. At 75mph its at 2200rpms, not to bad but I know the car will drone more when I get a midpipe.
Also my mpg improved, I do a lot a of city driving like 60% of city and 40% highway. Right now it gets 18-20 mpg every time I fill up, and on the highway it got 24mpg and that was at 75-80mph most of the time.
Also my mpg improved, I do a lot a of city driving like 60% of city and 40% highway. Right now it gets 18-20 mpg every time I fill up, and on the highway it got 24mpg and that was at 75-80mph most of the time.
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slick35thgt
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I DD 4.10s with nt05 drag radials, love it. I have longtubes and full exhaust, so parkway driving isnt the most ideal, but its not unbearable. They have made up for it in the ability to pull the higher gears much more effortlessly. 3.73 is probably the better all around gear though, and if I could do it again.... I would still go 4.10s and never look back.
Not a thread hijack but what you guys make of this?
My FR 4.10s are run in. Nice dry day. Took the car out for a WOT run and hard launch. I`m not the hard launch kinda dude but I thought I`d try it anyway as I`d never tried it.
Car is a 2003 GT Auto. Diablo 93 tune, Accufab plenum TB, K&N, catback etc. You get the picture. BEFORE the 4.10s went , on stock 17s and 3.27s the car could spin a tyre, no problem and chirp 1st/2nd easily.
Now after the gears I`ve added 18s with Michelin Pilots 295/35/18s.
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Same launch. OD off and Traction control off. No spinning. 1st gear felt longer than I thought it would. Into 2nd there was a bit of slip then on to 3rd. Absolutely fuss free. I wasn`t expecting that.
Whats the deal? Was I expecting too much from the gears? It either feels like I`m down on power or I have plenty traction. I mean the car certainly tramps to 3 figures in no time and it drives fine so it can`t be power thing surely. It just doesn`t feel as `frantic` as I thought. I watched a couple of 4.10 videos on youtube and they seemed more `fun`.
I`m actually thinking now I can go down the blower route even with the 4.10s.
Any thoughts gear heads?
My FR 4.10s are run in. Nice dry day. Took the car out for a WOT run and hard launch. I`m not the hard launch kinda dude but I thought I`d try it anyway as I`d never tried it.
Car is a 2003 GT Auto. Diablo 93 tune, Accufab plenum TB, K&N, catback etc. You get the picture. BEFORE the 4.10s went , on stock 17s and 3.27s the car could spin a tyre, no problem and chirp 1st/2nd easily.
Now after the gears I`ve added 18s with Michelin Pilots 295/35/18s.
View attachment 186572
Same launch. OD off and Traction control off. No spinning. 1st gear felt longer than I thought it would. Into 2nd there was a bit of slip then on to 3rd. Absolutely fuss free. I wasn`t expecting that.
Whats the deal? Was I expecting too much from the gears? It either feels like I`m down on power or I have plenty traction. I mean the car certainly tramps to 3 figures in no time and it drives fine so it can`t be power thing surely. It just doesn`t feel as `frantic` as I thought. I watched a couple of 4.10 videos on youtube and they seemed more `fun`.
I`m actually thinking now I can go down the blower route even with the 4.10s.
Any thoughts gear heads?
Not a thread hijack but what you guys make of this?
My FR 4.10s are run in. Nice dry day. Took the car out for a WOT run and hard launch. I`m not the hard launch kinda dude but I thought I`d try it anyway as I`d never tried it.
Car is a 2003 GT Auto. Diablo 93 tune, Accufab plenum TB, K&N, catback etc. You get the picture. BEFORE the 4.10s went , on stock 17s and 3.27s the car could spin a tyre, no problem and chirp 1st/2nd easily.
Now after the gears I`ve added 18s with Michelin Pilots 295/35/18s.
Whats the deal? Was I expecting too much from the gears? It either feels like I`m down on power or I have plenty traction. I mean the car certainly tramps to 3 figures in no time and it drives fine so it can`t be power thing surely. It just doesn`t feel as `frantic` as I thought. I watched a couple of 4.10 videos on youtube and they seemed more `fun`.
I`m actually thinking now I can go down the blower route even with the 4.10s.
You did two things at the same time. Bigger/heavier wheels with I'm assuming stickier tires (don't know what you had before) and 4.10 gears. To have an accurate comparison you need to only change one variable at a time. For just a quick couple minutes put your old wheels/tires back on and repeat the same launch. You should be melting tread and spinning to your heart's content. The reason it doesn't feel like you have made a significant difference is that your new wheels w/ the wider tires are easily several lbs heavier at each corner compared to the stockers.
Rotational mass makes a huge difference. The saying goes every 10lbs of rotational mass is the equivalent of 100lbs of car weight. Tons of people on here drool over these huge tires but when you slap them on they are going to slow you down (despite the fact that they look like amazing
).... (and having more traction could nullify the added weight but lets not make it complex). The only way to compensate for added weight is to add more hp. 
You can add gears and they keep you in a nice powerband perfect for a 1/4 mile type environment but gears don't add hp; they help a good driver stay in the right place in the powerband and with practice could potentially help the ET in the 1/4 mile.Makes sense. To be honest there wasn`t much difference in weight between the old stockers and budget tyres and the new rims and michelins. BUT when I think about, you`re right.
More grip and a bigger circumference AND wider. I think when I used the gear and tyre calculators for my combo my actual ratio is more 4.00 than 4.10.
I read tons about `burning rubber` and `1st gear is useless`. Thats obviously either stock tyres, $hit tyres, or both. manuals redlining or all 3?
So in effect then I could get away with a low boost blower or a 75 shot of gas if I wanted? No?
ArkansasHogGT
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I would definitley go 4.10's. I was in the same boat about 6 months ago with my 02 Gt 5 speed. After everything I read on the forums and research I pulled the trigger. There were a lot more people saying they got 3.73's and wished they had got 4.10's than the other way around. The 4.10's are a blast and yes you will feel the difference. I run 2k rpm at 60 mph. It is fine for a DD and I love the sound. Just make sure you get the tuner to correct the speedo.
