Fox Being Phased Out Of Media....

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flipping through new mustang magazines at walmart and noticed that over past few months, the fox is left with a single feature that seems like an afterthought. i know our cars are old and i accept the fact that the amazing new 420 hp stangs get all the draw and attention, but it almost hurts to see the pioneer of the mustang aftermarket get left outside like an old dying dog.....
add to that that its rare to see a clean, fixed up fox running around town anymore... makes me love my oldskoo fox gt that much more

/ rant
 
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Well as much as I agree with you, they can only write about H/C/I swaps so many times. The only "new" fox parts I've seen/heard about in recent times are these new Kaase heads and those sweet TMI Products Cobra - type seats.

Seems all they can is write a one page feature on a fox that has the same parts as 10,000 other foxes out there with minor changes to set it mildly apart from everyone else. No?
 
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Power part tech articles for Fox's are quickly being replaced with "restoration articles".

....but I'm cool with that, since 95% of the Fox's on the road could use restoration more than a H/C/I swap anyway.
 
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Theres an all and only Fox mag! Those other mags are nothing but ads anyway, besides forums are more entertaining than mags...
 
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well yea, i know they cant do tech. whats the point? weve all done everything there is to do.. but as mentioned ... showing restomod type articles would be nice. lastly , how dare you compare our fox to the pinto mustang! those cars get no coverage cuz theyre not true mustangs. but the fox? the new mustang owes its life to the foxbody, and the shelby owes its to the 93 cobra! respect the elders!!
 
Haha....explain to me what makes the Fox Mustang (that was based on a Ford Fairmont...a family sedan) any more worthy of the title than the Mustang II? You guys forget....if it wasn't for the Mustang II, you wouldn't have a Fox Mustangs to piss and moan about not getting coverage on.

...and if the Shelby owes respect to the '93 Cobra, then the '93 Cobra owes respect to the '78 King Cobra Mustang before it.

And FYI.....Shelby's were around looooooong before the '93 Cobra was a though. Now....RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!!!
 
It happens with every generation. Think of the II guys who don't get any coverage at all.
That's because Mustang II's are the designated torch bearers for design/build failure of epic proportions, where as a fox is the 180 degree polar opposite. Fox platform Mustangs rescued Fords' Bacon in the pony car arena. Mustang II did all but kill the category off.

Why in the hell do you think that a fox has absolutely zero recognizable mustang "attributes" incorporated into it's design??? The Ford designers were so spooked by the failure of their warmed over Pinto rehash that they wanted to be as distant from that turd as they could get.

Mustang lives today because of the popularity of our cars back then,...... something a sorry assed Mustang II will never have a claim to.
 
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Haha....explain to me what makes the Fox Mustang (that was based on a Ford Fairmont...a family sedan) any more worthy of the title than the Mustang II? You guys forget....if it wasn't for the Mustang II, you wouldn't have a Fox Mustangs to **** and moan about not getting coverage on.

...and if the Shelby owes respect to the '93 Cobra, then the '93 Cobra owes respect to the '78 King Cobra Mustang before it.

And FYI.....Shelby's were around looooooong before the '93 Cobra was a though. Now....RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!!!

Ohh please!! See below ( or above depending on how you look at it.)
 
That's because Mustang II's are the designated torch bearers for design/build failure of epic proportions, where as a fox is the 180 degree polar opposite. Fox platform Mustangs rescued Fords' Bacon in the pony car arena.
Mustang lives today because of the popularity of our cars back then,...... something a sorry assed Mustang II will never have a claim to.
See above.

...oh, and I'd hardly call the II an epic failure. It sold nearly as many Mustangs in it's short 5-year run as the Fox did during it's entire production era. And handily outsold the every year of production. Sometimes by almost as much as 100,000 units.
Not saying the Fox wasn't a big success....but not nearly as proportional as was the II. Say what you will, but we owe a lot our predecessors.

The II doesn’t get the coverage, because quite frankly there aren’t that many left of the road. Look how scarce Fox bodies are starting to become. Sure, you can find them run to rat :poo:…but clean Fox’s are getting few and far between. Heck…finding a pre-’87 model in decent shape is damn near impossible.


You bash on the II, because by today’s standards it was a real pile....and you're right. But then again....so was everything else built in America during that era....and so was the Fox after it. The mid-70's/early-80's exemplified the lowest point in automotive history. The Fact that we've still got a Mustang today is due solely to the success of the II....it was merely carried on by the Fox.
 
See above.

...oh, and I'd hardly call the II an epic failure. It sold nearly as many Mustangs in it's short 5-year run as the Fox did during it's entire production era. And handily outsold the every year of production. Sometimes by almost as much as 100,000 units.
Not saying the Fox wasn't a big success....but not nearly as proportional as was the II. Say what you will, but we owe a lot our predecessors.

The II doesn’t get the coverage, because quite frankly there aren’t that many left of the road. Look how scarce Fox bodies are starting to become. Sure, you can find them run to rat ****…but clean Fox’s are getting few and far between. Heck…finding a pre-’87 model in decent shape is damn near impossible.

Thats' bull, if there were so many of those dork mobiles built then where are they now? Why are there only 23,000 messages relating to II's versus 1.5 million fox messages just on this forum alone? If Mustang II's could have sex, they'd all be GAY.:fight:
Even being overly fair,....Viagra was put into production specifically for II owners.

Talk about an inferiority complex,..."Hello McFly!,...You In there Mc Fly???"
I'd rather ride a vespa to an outlaw biker bar then show up at a Ford show in a King Cobra II.

And just by law of averages, if there was so many built, there'd still be quite a few of the rusty assed pigs running today.
 
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I keep saying this, but no one seems to hear it: There is tons of new material to cover in Foxes. Trick Flow released a new line of Clevor parts last year, guys are retrofitting Eatons off the new GT500 onto Foxes, and there hardly goes a week that I don't hear about some new trans part or suspension part or blah blah blah. Cars like the '32 deuce have been around waaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than the Fox, and yet mags like Rod & Custom are alive and well.

On that note, I would like to see more fabrication efforts in the Mustang magazines and less pay-to-play bolt-on articles.
 
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i know thw shelbys were around longer than foxes, im not an idiot. but the truth is, mustang performance all but died with the pinto mustang because of the fuel crisis. the fox mustang, regardless of your apparent dislike of it, is the reason the current mustang is alive. and the current shelby DOES owe its life to the 93 cobra. svt was born with that car, and ALL subsequent specialty mustangs were made because of the interest in the fox cobra
 
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i know thw shelbys were around longer than foxes, im not an idiot. but the truth is, mustang performance all but died with the pinto mustang because of the fuel crisis. the fox mustang, regardless of your apparent dislike of it, is the reason the current mustang is alive. and the current shelby DOES owe its life to the 93 cobra. svt was born with that car, and ALL subsequent specialty mustangs were made because of the interest in the fox cobra


All Cobra's nowadays originate from SVT. The only actual Shelby Cobras now are the ones that are sent off to Shelby, such as the Super Snake models and the GT350. So, all new Cobras do owe respect to the '93. You sir are correct.
 
Thats' bull, if there were so many of those dork mobiles built then where are they now? Why are there only 23,000 messages relating to II's versus 1.5 million fox messages just on this forum alone? If Mustang II's could have sex, they'd all be GAY.
Even being overly fair,....Viagra was put into production specifically for II owners.
Talk about an inferiority complex,..."Hello McFly!,...You In there Mc Fly???"
I'd rather ride a vespa to an outlaw biker bar then show up at a Ford show in a King Cobra II.
And just by law of averages, if there was so many built, there'd still be quite a few of the rusty assed pigs running today.
The same that happens to all old cars. Hell….there were over half a million Fox based Mustang built in 1979 and 1980. How many of them do you still see running the streets? Hell…there were almost 700,000 Mustang’s built in 1965 alone. Where did they all go? :shrug: I’ll tell you where, they rot, they wreck, they die. A lot of things can happen over time. Not everyone has a vacuum sealed garage to keep these cars in so you can poke fun at them 35-years in the future. Compare the age of the Mustang II to the most popular Fox’s. The Mustang II’s have had an additional 9-15-years to disappear over the so coveted ’87-’93 Fox bodies. Admittedly, clean Fox’s are getting hard to find now. In another 9-15 years they’re going to be all but impossible to find….just like Mustang II’s.

Like em, don’t like em….I don’t care. The numbers don’t lie. They made a :poo: ton of them and they sold like hot cakes back in the day. The fact still remains that you wouldn’t have a Fox body to drive today, if it wasn’t for the existence of the II.
i know thw shelbys were around longer than foxes, im not an idiot. but the truth is, mustang performance all but died with the pinto mustang because of the fuel crisis. the fox mustang, regardless of your apparent dislike of it, is the reason the current mustang is alive. and the current shelby DOES owe its life to the 93 cobra. svt was born with that car, and ALL subsequent specialty mustangs were made because of the interest in the fox cobra

You may not be an idiot, but you reading comprehension sucks. I didn’t say that the Shelby’s were around longer than the Fox’s. I said they were around long before the Fox’s. As in…the new Shelby was a rehash of the old…not a tribute to the Fox Mustang Cobra.

As for the rest of your post....well, Potatoe = Potaaatoe ;)

The fuel crisis killed all performance vehicles in the '70's, not just the Mustang II's. The II’s were designed with the constraints of the era in mind, not the other way around. Everyone was on the same even shaky ground back then. That still doesn't change the fact that the II was a hit. It was even voted car of the year in 1974. Tell me...what year did the Fox Mustang make that list? :scratch:

Look…there’s no doubt. The EFI Fox Mustang was a huge influence in turning the aftermarket into the goldmine it is today, there’s no doubt about that. But that had nothing to do with the quality of the car, and very little to do with its popularity at the time. Hell…the Fox Mustang was all but out of production before the aftermarket even really took off. I could probably count on one hand the number of aftermarket head/intake combo’s were being sold for them before the mid-90’s….which was well into the SN95 production years and just as the 5.0L OHV in a Mustang was on its way out the door. Quite frankly…it was the aftermarket that made the Fox Mustang as popular as it is today, not the car itself.

And you’d be mistaken about my “apparent dislike” for the Fox body. I like em just fine. I own one….a nice one as a matter of fact. I even like them better than the Mustang II they replaced. But I’m not ignorant enough to think the II’s were a failure and played no part in the success of where the Mustang is today, nor will I ignore the fact that if it wasn’t for the Mustang II, we wouldn’t have a Fox body to talk about right now. If everyone followed your line of thinking, they would believe that the Fox was the first, last and only Mustang ever build. And that….well, that’s just plain retarded.
All Cobra's nowadays originate from SVT. The only actual Shelby Cobras now are the ones that are sent off to Shelby, such as the Super Snake models and the GT350. So, all new Cobras do owe respect to the '93. You sir are correct.
lol....Ford was using the Cobra as a performance moniker looooong before then. Even during the Fox era. There was a performance oriented "Cobra" in 1979, years before SVT or John Colettie got their hands on them. It happened again in the mid-80's with the SVO division. Saying that Cobra's today owe all that they are to the existence of the '93 SVT Cobra would be like crediting your Father solely for your existence, but leaving out the rest of the lineage by ignoring your Grandfather and his father before him and father before him, etc.

The creation of the SVT division was in response to GM stepping up the game with release of the Corvette powered LT1 F-Body and had more to do with the direction the current performance offerings from Ford have taken today more than anything. If you guys want to thank anyone, thank the engineers at GM for stirring up the Pony Wars again and lighting a fire under Fords tail feathers. :nice:
 
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