Drivetrain 5-speed need to shift in and out of gear to get it to Start

folky15

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I have a 1992 5.0 with the 5-speed and the car will not crank sometimes when turning the key.

Clutch is fully depressed, battery is like new. Car runs 100% fine when it starts.

Sometimes it will start when I am in neutral, but sometimes I need to shift it into gear and then it will start.

Any ideas on what may be wrong?

Neutral Safety Switch? Parking Brake Switch? I have noticed that the parking brake light does not always come on when I pull the handle.
 
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Probably a "bad" ground. I say in quotes b/c a ground may look good and be tight and still have a bad connection, possibly.

Im referring to the starter solenoid mounting. Id put a new bolt and nut with lockwasher on it. Or 2 if can reach w/o having to take :poo: apart. And if you do this, disconnect battery first for safety.

Does it only happen cold or hot?
Just recently started?
 
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No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 24-Oct-2013 to update voltage drop figures.

No crank, slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are grouped together.
Use the same initial group of tests to find the root cause of slow crank, no crank and stuck solenoid problems.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery for low charge and dead cells. A good battery will measure 12-13 volts at full charge with the ignition switch in the Run position but without the engine running.
A voltmeter placed across the battery terminals should show a minimum of 9.5-10 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position and the starter engages or tries to engage. Less than this will result in a clicking solenoid, or slow cranking (if it cranks at all) or a starter solenoid that sticks and welds the contacts together.

Most auto parts stores will check your battery for free. It does not have to be installed in the car to have it checked; you can carry it with you to the auto parts store.

The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or battery post cleaner tool. This little trick will fix a surprising number of no start problems.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a known problem causer. Any place you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Corroded connections do not conduct electricity well. Avoid them like the plague...

If the starter solenoid welds the contacts, then the starter will attempt to run anytime there is power in the battery. The cables and solenoid will get very hot, and may even start smoking. The temporary fix for a welded starter solenoid is to disconnect the battery and smack the back of the solenoid housing a sharp blow with a hammer. This may cause the contacts to unstick and work normally for a while.


A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .25 volts across a connection indicates a problem. The voltage drop tests need to be done while cranking the engine. It's the current flowing through a connection or wire that causes the voltage drop.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .

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Voltage drops should not exceed the following:
200 mV Wire or cable
300 mV Switch or solenoid
100 mV Ground
0.0V Connections
A voltage drop lower that spec is always acceptable.

2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean them up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter solenoid next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

The rest of the tech note only concerns no crank problems. If your problem was a stuck solenoid, go back to step 1.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang
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Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
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Electrical checks for the switches and starter solenoid

Remove the small red/blue wire from the starter solenoid. Use a screwdriver to bridge the connection from the battery positive connection on the starter solenoid to the small screw where the red/blue wire was connected. The starter should crank the engine. If it does not, the starter solenoid is defective or the battery lacks sufficient charge to crank the engine.

If the starter does crank the engine, the problem is in the clutch safety circuit (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) or ignition switch.


See the Typical start circuit diagram above for wiring information for troubleshooting.

You will need a voltmeter or test lamp for the rest of the checks. Connect one lead of the voltmeter or test lamp to ground. The other lead will connect to the item under test.
Look for 12 volts on the white/pink wire when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position. Check the ignition switch first.
No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

The next step will require you to push the clutch pedal to the floor (5 speed) or put the transmission in neutral (auto trans) while the ignition switch is turned to the Start position.
Good 12 volts, check the clutch safety switch (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) for good 12 volts on both sides of the switches. No 12 volts on both sides of the switch and the switches are defective or out of adjustment. Check the wiring for bad connections while you are at it.
 
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A ‘92 5.0 with a 5 speed has a neautral safety switch . It’s located on the top cover of the transmission. It’s controlled by the shift rod inside the transmission. It can be replaced from under the car. Or put a jumper wire on the plug and not have it work. N-95 Mustang don’t have one.
 
A ‘92 5.0 with a 5 speed has a neautral safety switch . It’s located on the top cover of the transmission. It’s controlled by the shift rod inside the transmission. It can be replaced from under the car. Or put a jumper wire on the plug and not have it work. N-95 Mustang don’t have one.

thays the nuetral gear switch. It is not a nuetral safety. Only the AOD cars use a nuetral safety, and it’s jumped out in the reverse light harness on the 5-spd cars.

The NGS on top of the T5 tells the ECU the car is in nuetral and is wired in parallel with the clutch switch. Has nothing to do with the starter circuit

the manual trans cars use a clutch safety switch that requires full depression of the clutch pedal to start.

to bypass this for testing purposes, remove the black plug from the clutch switch (red/blue wire) and junp it with a blade fuse. This will eliminate the clutch switch from the “doesn’t crank” scenario. Obviously make sure car is in nuetral

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To follow-up, I was getting the single 'click' when turning the key but no crank.


I first checked to ensure the battery was charged and strong. Once that was ruled out, I figured starter solenoid was the next easiest thing. Replacing it either got me a better ground with the fender, or resolved whatever internal issue was happening with the solenoid. Anyways, she is back up and running just in time for the warm weather. Thanks for the help!