This ...is insane. Since this is obviously a bitching thread, where people bitch, bitch about other people who bitch, and bitch about bitching, I feel the need to take one for the cause since I've been pissed about this for years:
RiceEating5.0 said:
GM has put the T56 in camaros since 93 and that proves that it can be had in an affordable package. Again, how expensive is the T56 relative to a 5spd auto?
God, that seems like such a simple concept, doesn't it?
SN95_XB331 said:
...the extra gears keep you in the sweet spot, but again, you're still shifting more.
I must be missing something. If we didn't like shifting, wouldn't we just buy the automatic? There are barely any NA cars made which have an average HP that is even close to it's peak HP. Therefore, the more time you can spend in the "sweet spot" the faster the car will be, even after wasting 1/10th of a second on another shift.
RiceEating5.0 said:
...I guess a 5spd was acceptable in the fox and Sn95 cars, but a 2005+??? ... Its about keeping up with the times. I was hoping they'd fix a lot of that with the 05.
Yeah, back when the only price/performance competitor with that kind of technology was one of the two F-bodies, we could just write it off as Ford was "a little" slow and behind the times. Things are quite a bit different now, like my list below.
Ron Jeremy said:
Here we go again. If you want to buy a 6 speed manual go and buy a Corvette. There is no way in hell that the price of the new 2005+ Mustang GT will be reasonable and affordable if you whiners in here keep asking for a 6 speed. The 6 speed will bring the Mustang into a different price category and the car will cost at least $5K to $10K more than it does now. What Ford is offerring in the new 2005+ Mustang GT is ENOUGH. The newer 4.6L engine and its 300HP is enough. If you start asking for more this car will be unaffordable to many people in here. Be realistic and stop asking for things like a 6 speed manual, 5.0L, 5.4L, IRS, and other BS. If Ford puts all this stuff into the Mustang it will end up costing over $40K-$45K grand if not more than that. All that I ask for is for you dreamers out there who have no clue about cost and affordability to stop asking for too much. If you want more be prepared to pay a LOT LOT more. The Mustang is supposed to be an AFFORDABLE car for everybody. It's the ONLY muscle car that's left which is still built that is still affordable. Don't let the Mustang become as expensive as the Corvette all because you want it to have whatever the Corvette has. It's stupid if you do.
Who said anything about Corvette's? But since you brought it up, the Corvette has been a purpose built sports car since the C3, and it was a Vette who gave the 6spd it's "serious sports car" status symbol rep. *Almost* none of these cheesy little crappers below should be taken seriously in the sports car world, yet they have them?
WTF?! You don't think we should bitch? The only reason that there is still a Mustang to bitch about at all is because when Ford decided to kill the Fox platform and build what became the (dead, loser, import powered) Probe with a running horse on it, all the stang enthusiasts freaked like king baby bitches. If nobody bitches, then nothing happens. How the hell are they supposed to know what to do? For example, the reason the new GT will have a live rear axle not IRS has nothing to do with cost, because if you read anything about it it has been engineered to have IRS and the money was already spent. Ford interviewed Ford fans, and more of them wanted a live rear than IRS so that's what it has. If enough people whine about the same old 5 speed, something may happen.
My gripe? The old F-bodies were just the beginning, now this all adds insult to injury. I compiled this list this morning, all are 2004 models, none are limited production, all prices are list price (not base price) for these exact models that come standard with a six speed manual transmission. All are either at, around, below, or waaayyy below the proposed price of a new Mustang GT. Almost none if them have anywhere near the 300HP the new stang has, which is necessary to overcome the drag coefficient to even use a sixth gear- hence, almost none of them are as justified in having it. But they do- and we don't. That's BS Ford, wake up and look around. Sure, the new Cobra will have IRS, and a 6spd.
Ford said so. But if that is all they have to set it apart from the GT and justify the increase in price, or enhance it's "top of the line" status, then there is a lot more wrong then this whole bitchfest of a thread implies. There are quite a few more than the ones I've listed here, but you should get the gist. If you aren't as embarrassed about this as I am, I don't know what to tell you:
Audi A4 Avant Wagon $33,940
Chrysler Crossfire $33,620
Audi TT $33,250
BMW 330 $33,200
Honda S2000 $32,800
Saab 9-3 Aero $32,685
Pontiac GTO $31,795
Subaru WRX Impreza STI $31,120
BMW Z4 $30,370
Infiniti G35 sedan $29,850
Audi A4 3.0 Quattro $29,409
Nissan Maxima $27,050
Mazda RX-8 $26,680
Acura TSX $26,490
Nissan 350Z $26,370
Toyota MR2 Spyder $26,130
Mercedes Benz C230 $25,300
Volkswagon Beetle Turbo S $23,850
Volkswagon Jetta GLI VR6 $22,950
Toyota Celica GT-S $22,750
Volkswagon GTI VR6 $22,070
Hyundai Tiburon GT $20,938
Mini Cooper S $19,449
Toyota Matrix XRS $18,750
Nissan Sentra SE-R spec V $17,300
Pontiac Vibe $17,165