Anyone ever change from '65-66 power steering to rack & pinion?
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I replaced my 66's power steering with a Randalls Rack.
1) My stock steering need a major rebuild, it leaked from every single square millimeter. And to make things worse it tended to dart, you'd turn the wheel with little to no response then out of the blue it would grab and oversteer. It was scary. Randalls wasn't that much more than new/ reman components.
2) It is waaaaaaay more responsive and better road feel in my experience.
3) It is safer. The steering collumn now has a collapable joint in it, where as the 65 and 66 was a straight shaft hard mounted to the steering box. In a bad accident that shaft becomes a toothpick and you the olive. Now granted in an accident that bad your gonna get jacked up anyway but it is one less thing.
4) I have a 351W and my power steering pump never mounted right. Now I have a new bracket that fits properly and is smallet and light weight.
5) I have Granada front discs and was able to go with stock outer tie rods, and not have to buy the one really expensive tire rod end to get around the CV.
On the Down side.
You lose turning radius. I drive my car for pleasure, blasting up and down back country roads so I don't notice it. If I were to try and drive it in the city and to the mall constantly it may bother me. THere are things you can do to mitigate this by either re-drilling the spindle or using a bumpsteer kit to move the outer tie rod closer to the pivot point of the spindle.
You have to cut your Stock collumn. (didn't bother me)
The car is no longer stock/original (again doesn't bother me)
I've had the car now for 7 years, and wish I could have made this change years ago. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
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I replaced my 66's power steering with a Randalls Rack.
1) My stock steering need a major rebuild, it leaked from every single square millimeter. And to make things worse it tended to dart, you'd turn the wheel with little to no response then out of the blue it would grab and oversteer. It was scary. Randalls wasn't that much more than new/ reman components.
2) It is waaaaaaay more responsive and better road feel in my experience.
3) It is safer. The steering collumn now has a collapable joint in it, where as the 65 and 66 was a straight shaft hard mounted to the steering box. In a bad accident that shaft becomes a toothpick and you the olive. Now granted in an accident that bad your gonna get jacked up anyway but it is one less thing.
4) I have a 351W and my power steering pump never mounted right. Now I have a new bracket that fits properly and is smallet and light weight.
5) I have Granada front discs and was able to go with stock outer tie rods, and not have to buy the one really expensive tire rod end to get around the CV.
On the Down side.
You lose turning radius. I drive my car for pleasure, blasting up and down back country roads so I don't notice it. If I were to try and drive it in the city and to the mall constantly it may bother me. THere are things you can do to mitigate this by either re-drilling the spindle or using a bumpsteer kit to move the outer tie rod closer to the pivot point of the spindle.
You have to cut your Stock collumn. (didn't bother me)
The car is no longer stock/original (again doesn't bother me)
I've had the car now for 7 years, and wish I could have made this change years ago. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
b
That's my problem with reading most people's comparison to R&P Vs. stock. They all compare a new R&P to a worn out beaten to death steering box with a leaky, worn out and sloppy PS setup attached. Of COURSE it'll be better, DUH!babaker said:
The only fair comparo would be professionally rebuilt stock Vs. R&P.5.0ina66 said:That's my problem with reading most people's comparison to R&P Vs. stock. They all compare a new R&P to a worn out beaten to death steering box with a leaky, worn out and sloppy PS setup attached. Of COURSE it'll be better, DUH!
Anyone with an IQ more the 3 isn't going to pay to have the original system rebuilt then put a rack and pinion kit in.
The cost of the rebuild depends on the extent of the rebuild.babaker said:
BTW, I found a nice rack
But that's just my 'pinion
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use of the search feature would have eliminated the need for this thread and for this post. There are only about 10000 r&p threads on here.
Well, you asked for opinions, and I'll agree with cannon and rb on that one, but on the subject of the factory steering...
Having driven classics with FULLY rebuilt power steering (new pump, new gear box, new lines, new ram, new valve, etc.) and ones with TCP racks I can say it is like comparing the horse-and-buggy to a Porsche.
The factory power steering on these cars was simply a peice of chit in my opinion. WAAAY overassisted, it took what little road feel and tightness that could be had via a worm gear and recirculating ball and nuked it via the overdone hydraulic boost. I always disconnected the power steering system on ever classic I've owned, I prefered the heavier steering anyhow, the worm gear was still vague in imprecise but at least there was some resistance and centering. Unless you are an 80 year old granny or have the upper body strength of one you should have no trouble horsing the wheel around even in the parking lots without the pump.
Having driven classics with FULLY rebuilt power steering (new pump, new gear box, new lines, new ram, new valve, etc.) and ones with TCP racks I can say it is like comparing the horse-and-buggy to a Porsche.
The factory power steering on these cars was simply a peice of chit in my opinion. WAAAY overassisted, it took what little road feel and tightness that could be had via a worm gear and recirculating ball and nuked it via the overdone hydraulic boost. I always disconnected the power steering system on ever classic I've owned, I prefered the heavier steering anyhow, the worm gear was still vague in imprecise but at least there was some resistance and centering. Unless you are an 80 year old granny or have the upper body strength of one you should have no trouble horsing the wheel around even in the parking lots without the pump.
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