Z28x said:Chevy Suburban has been around since 1935
Jeep Wrangler, although it was called CJ before wrangler, but basically the same vehicle has been around since the 40's
I said car not vehicle, truck, SUV, etc.
Z28x said:Chevy Suburban has been around since 1935
Jeep Wrangler, although it was called CJ before wrangler, but basically the same vehicle has been around since the 40's
Scot_94GT said:I agree with letting customers decide which engine they want. Most people dont care about handling, they just want straight line power. Ford should offer more than 2 engine options in the Mustang. Look at the early 70's Mopars. They had a million engine options: slant 6, v6, 318, 340, 383, 440, 426. The big block were there for the people who wanted them, and the smaller, lighter V8's were there for the people who didnt need a 426 hemi, and wanted better handling.
Scot_94GT said:I agree with letting customers decide which engine they want. Most people dont care about handling, they just want straight line power. Ford should offer more than 2 engine options in the Mustang. Look at the early 70's Mopars. They had a million engine options: slant 6, v6, 318, 340, 383, 440, 426. The big block were there for the people who wanted them, and the smaller, lighter V8's were there for the people who didnt need a 426 hemi, and wanted better handling.
351CJ said:Finally, I beg to differ with you, most people do care about handling (plus braking, comfort and safety). The only people who really care ONLY about straight line speed are a small and ever shrinking minority of vehicle customers. Don't belive me, just take a look at what % of new car sales were imports in 2003.
351CJ said:Now quick, besides the Chevy Corvette, name another car model (model, not brand) that has been in production for over 40 continuous years and during those 40 years has essentially remained the same type of car as the original.
351CJ said:I said car not vehicle, truck, SUV, etc.
351CJ said:Finally, I beg to differ with you, most people do care about handling (plus braking, comfort and safety). The only people who really care ONLY about straight line speed are a small and ever shrinking minority of vehicle customers. Don't belive me, just take a look at what % of new car sales were imports in 2003.
Z28x said:What does the number of "imports" sold in 2003 have to do with handling??? What about the increasing number of trucks and SUVs sold in the last 10 years.
I think everyone wants a car that does everything good, but there are compromises. Good handling vs. smooth ride, lots of HP vs. good fuel economy, etc.. Not every car needs to pull 1.00g, 99% of Sedan buyers would rather have a car that does .80g and has a nice soft ride instead of excellent .90g handling and a "sports car" ride.
351CJ said:Finally, I beg to differ with you, most people do care about handling (plus braking, comfort and safety). The only people who really care ONLY about straight line speed are a small and ever shrinking minority of vehicle customers. Don't belive me, just take a look at what % of new car sales were imports in 2003.
Z28x said:What does the number of "imports" sold in 2003 have to do with handling??? What about the increasing number of trucks and SUVs sold in the last 10 years.
I think everyone wants a car that does everything good, but there are compromises. Good handling vs. smooth ride, lots of HP vs. good fuel economy, etc.. Not every car needs to pull 1.00g, 99% of Sedan buyers would rather have a car that does .80g and has a nice soft ride instead of excellent .90g handling and a "sports car" ride.
Scot_94GT said:That's not really what I meant. I meant that I think people care more about power than fancy suspension. Yes, IRS does give a smoother ride, but I doubt very many people care what it does for them as far as handling goes. I think there is a very small amount of the car buying public that cares whether or not thier car can corner really well. But on the other hand, I bet there are a lot more people who would be swayed in thier purchase if one car they are looking at has 100hp more than another. THe only people who will really benefit from a well tunes sports suspension, are those who will take their car out on a road course. And while people who take thier car to the drag strip are few and far between, people who take thier car to a closed road course are even more rare.
Z28x said:Pontiac Grand Prix came out in 1962
Cadillac DeVille came out around 1948(give or take a year)
THe Lincoln Town Car name has been around since the 60's right? (1967?)