1. Neither one of those cars have been made since 2005. I’m talking about the new Dodge of the most recent couple of years post “bail out”. I mean really, if you recall, Fords of that same era had plenty of quality control issues of their own before shaping up in the 2005 Model year 2. I’m not quite sure what this has to do with them putting out a great product? I don’t recall a light curb weight or low cost being criteria for an excellent automobile. If so, most of Europe’s finest had better run and hide, as heavy and expensive seem to be characteristics of some of the greatest cars ever built. 3. So what you’re saying, is that as long as it’s cheap people will buy it? If that were the case, the Ford Festiva would still be a best seller. It takes more than cheap to sell a car. Do yourself a favor….go take a new Dodge Ram for a drive. They’re a really , well built truck. Much more so than their previous model and more so than GM’s or Toyota’s current. Quite honestly, the only truck on the road right now that rivals their quality is the Ford…and for that, you pay. The same goes for several other vehicles in their lineup. I’ll say it again. Dodge is “now” putting out a top notch product and a veeery competitive price. More so than Ford. On a side note. I just picked up a 2011 Ford Focus today as a rental while my truck is down for repair (got rear ended last week by some lady who thought playing with her contact lenses was more important that watching the road) and I’ll be damned if it’s not a nice little car. It’s even good looking…and their new SYNC system is slick as snot.