Fox Contour fan killing battery

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Hey gang,
So I have been fighting electrical gremlins trying to get this pile of parts driveable. Finally got my 6g alternator wired correct to charge. I took the car out and it died after about 10 min. Got it home and did a test. Slowly but shurley my contour fans were drawing down my battery faster than my alternator can keep up. I was looking for some opinions, I'm sure you all have one.
Choices:
1. Just buy a 3g 130a alternator. I got my 6g for $20 and it was brand new so my cheapskate side of me does not like this option. I do not even know if it will be enough to keep up.

2. Wire the fans to blow on low. I still have the factory resistor, I could rewire both fans to run on low and see if it will keep up.....but I don't actually know how to do this.

3. Run just 1 fan, unplug the other. Cheap and work free but seems like a waste. I think 1 fan on high would be as good as the factory mechanical fan.

4. Look for a different fan with lower power draw. This seems silly since the fans I have are really good, paid for, and already installed.

Please help me decide
 
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Does a Contour have a alternator larger than 130a? I can't imagine it does. Are your fans new? Old electric motors can pull significantly more than their rated draw.

I know at one time they made a overdrive pulley for the alternator. Maybe you could try that.
 
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I've no idea how you have these fans wired but you need to look into a fan controller.

If they're flat-out any time the engine is running then I can see how it might be a struggle. You need a fan controller that monitors temp and responds in kind to what I think are: Two fans that are both two speed. Is that correct?

If so, that gives a fan controller the ability to use 9 fan speed combinations and only run what is necessary to maintain radiator temp.
 
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I've no idea how you have these fans wired but you need to look into a fan controller.

If they're flat-out any time the engine is running then I can see how it might be a struggle. You need a fan controller that monitors temp and responds in kind to what I think are: Two fans that are both two speed. Is that correct?

If so, that gives a fan controller the ability to use 9 fan speed combinations and only run what is necessary to maintain radiator temp.

This. It's unnecessary and inefficient to run the fans constantly, not to mention extra taxing on your charging system.

Also, IDK much about the OE Ford fans, but 60A operating seems very high to me. My Flex-A-Lite is fused for 30A, meaning it operates at some lower amperage. I know it's a single motor fan vs your 2, but it doesn't seem like you'd draw more than 2x what mine does.
 
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The fans are wired with 2 30a relays, 30a inline fuse, and an single adjustable temp sensor, the cheap kind that fit in the radiator and use a potentiometer to control the on/off point. They don't turn on til it gets hot enough, which is why I did not catch this before I took it out on the road. Fans werent on with hood up and checking battery charge.

The 4 banger contours had a 110 the v6 had a 130.

How do i test the amp draw on the fans, one probe on power, one on neg batt terminal?
 
I have dual contours running through a dakota digital controller...i can set my hi lo settings...on low only one fan runs on high both kick on...also have a relay board i run them through...havent had any issues with charging...that being said i also have a 200a 3g.
 
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I have dual contours running through a dakota digital controller...i can set my hi lo settings...on low only one fan runs on high both kick on...also have a relay board i run them through...havent had any issues with charging...that being said i also have a 200a 3g.
200a! Woza. Bet that was a pretty penny. Where did you get it?
 
Be careful, most cheap multimeters aren't capable of handling more that 10 amps.When you test current, the wires connected to the meter need to be the same size or larger than the wire that connects device under test to the power source.

Current (amps) is measured with the meter inline (series) with the device under test.
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Most of the high current figures for radiator fans are the surge current figures. Any motor will draw -2-4 times the running current for about 1-2 seconds when it first starts spinning. That's why you use a slow blow fuse or a circuit breaker on a circuit that protects the wiring to a motor. Loads that have a lot of drag will draw higher current for a longer time when they first start up.

In automotive circuits, Voltage is measured from ground to power input of the device when it is turned on and operating.
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Alternator troubleshooting for 86-93 5.0 Mustangs:

Never, never disconnect an alternator from the battery with the engine running. The resulting voltage spike can damage the car's electronics including the alternator.



Revised 16-Oct-2016 to add 94-95 alternator wiring diagram

Red color text applies to cars with a 3G alternator.

Do all of these tests in sequence. Do not skip around. The results of each test depend on the results of the previous tests for correct interpretation.

Simple first step: Remove the alternator and take it to your local auto parts store. They can bench test it for free.


Use a safety pin to pierce and probe the insulated connectors from the rear when doing tests with the connector plugged into its' mating connector.

Engine off, ignition off, battery fully charged.
1.) Look for 12 volts at the alternator output. No 12 volts and the dark green fuse link between the orange/black wires and the battery side of the starter solenoid has open circuited.
3G alternator: Look for 12 volts at the stud on the back of the alternator where the 4 gauge power feed wire is bolted.
No voltage and the fuse for the 4 gauge power feed wire is open or there are some loose connections.

2.) Look for 12 volts on the yellow/white wire that is the power feed to the regulator. No 12 volts, and the fuse link for the yellow/white wire has open circuited.

Engine off, ignition on, battery fully charged:
1.) Alternator warning light should glow. No glow, bulb has burned out or there is a break in the wiring between the regulator plug and the dash. The warning light supplies an exciter voltage that tells the regulator to turn on. There is a 500 ohm resistor in parallel with the warning light so that if the bulb burns out, the regulator still gets the exciter voltage.
Disconnect the D connector with the 3 wires (yellow/white, white/black and green/red) from the voltage regulator.
Measure the voltage on the Lt green/red wire. It should be 12 volts. No 12 volts and the wire is broken, or the 500 ohm resistor and dash indicator lamp are bad. If the 12 volts is missing, replace the warning lamp. If after replacing the warning lamp, the test fails again, the wiring between the warning lamp and the alternator is faulty. The warning lamp circuit is part of the instrument panel and contains some connectors that may cause problems.

2.) Reconnect the D plug to the alternator
Probe the green/red wire from the rear of the connector and use the battery negative post as a ground. You should see 2.4-2.6 volts. No voltage and the previous tests passed, you have a failed voltage regulator. This is an actual measurement taken from a car with a working electrical system. If you see full or almost full12 volts, the regulator has failed.

Engine on, Ignition on, battery fully charged:
Probe the green/red wire from the rear of the connector and use the battery negative post as a ground. You should see battery voltage minus .25 to 1.0 volt. If the battery measured across the battery is 15.25 volts, you should see 14.50 volts

Familiarize yourself with the following application note from Fluke: See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .


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You will need to do some voltage drop testing of several of the wires.

Start looking for these things:
1.) Bad diode(s) in the alternator - one or more diodes have open circuited and are causing the voltage to drop off as load increases. Remove the alternator and bench test it to confirm or deny this as being the problem.

2.) The secondary power ground is between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It is often missing or loose. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges. Do the voltage drop test as shown in the Fluke tech note link. Measure the voltage drop between the alternator frame and the battery negative post. Watch for an increase in drop as the load increases. Use the Fluke voltage drop figures as guidelines for your decisions.

3.) Bad regulator that does not increase field current as load increases. Remove the alternator and bench test it to confirm or deny this as being the problem.

4.) Bad sense wire - open circuit in sense wiring or high resistance. The yellow/white wire is the voltage sense and power for the field. There is a fuse link embedded in the wiring where it connects to the black/orange wiring that can open up and cause problems. Disconnect the battery negative cable from the battery: this will keep you from making sparks when you do the next step. Then disconnect the yellow/white wire at the alternator and the green fuse link at the starter solenoid/starter relay. Measure the resistance between the alternator end of the yellow/white wire and the green fuse link: you should see less than 1 ohm. Reconnect all the wires when you have completed this step.

5.) Bad power feed wiring from the alternator. Use caution in the next step, since you will need to do it with everything powered up and the engine running. You are going to do the Fluke voltage drop tests on the power feed wiring, fuse links and associated parts. Connect one DMM lead to the battery side of the starter solenoid/starter relay. Carefully probe the backside of the black/orange wire connector where it plugs into the alternator. With the engine off, you should see very little voltage. Start the engine and increase the load on the electrical system. Watch for an increase in drop as the load increases. Use the Fluke voltage drop figures as guidelines for your decisions.

Alternator wiring diagram for 87-93 Mustangs.
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The following are diagrams courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

Alternator wiring diagram for 94-95 Mustangs.
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Voltage drops should not exceed the following:
200 mV Wire or cable
300 mV Switch
100 mV Ground
0 mV to <50 mV Sensor Connections
0.0V bolt together connections

Alternator wiring circuit
Notice the green wire connects to a switched power source. The circuit contains a 500 ohm resistor in series between the switched power and the alternator. Connecting it to switched power keeps the regulator from drawing current when the engine is not running. The resistor limits the current flowing through the wire so that a fuse isn't needed if the wire shorts to ground.

Also notice the sense wire connects to the starter solenoid and it is fused. It connects to the starter solenoid so that it can "sense" the voltage drop across the output wiring from the alternator.


Fuse link for 86-93 Mustangs
Replacement parts:
14 gauge fuse link for stock alternator.

Bussman BP/FL14 Fusible link
AutoZone

Dorman - Conduct-Tite 14 Gauge Fusible Link Wire Part No. 85620
Advance auto parts #85620
Pep Boys - SKU #8637594




See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring; http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ Everyone should bookmark this site.

94-95 Mustang wiring diagrams
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/#95-95Diagrams

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 91-93 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/91-93_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

O2 sensor wiring harness
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangO2Harness.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg

HVAC vacuum diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Mustang_AC_heat_vacuum_controls.gif

TFI module differences & pin out
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/TFI_5.0_comparison.gif

Fuse box layout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/MustangFuseBox.gif

Mustang 5.0 Lights and Radio schematic, by TMoss:
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxLights-Radio_diag.gif

87-92 power window wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustang87-92 PowerWindowWiring.gif

93 power window wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustang93PowerWindows.gif

T5 Cutaway showing T5 internal parts
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/5_Speed_Cutaway_Illustrated.jpg

Visual comparison of the Ford Fuel Injectors, picture by TMoss:
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Ford_Injector_Guide.jpg

Convertible top motor wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustang88VertTopMotorCkt.gif

Engine mounted fuel injector harness
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangEngineHarness.gif

Location of the TPS, IAB, and the 10-pin connectors on a 5.0, picture by TMoss:
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/TPS_IAB_Pic.jpg

Starter circuit
http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21328&d=1080916057

Alternator diagram for 94-95 Mustangs.
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Mustang-94-95-Alt.gif
 
200a! Woza. Bet that was a pretty penny. Where did you get it?

I dont remember...ive had it for a few years...there was a guy that sold an all inclusive kit with everything needed..and a powdercoated housing....i had a big sound system at the time (which has been gone for awhile now since i dont care about those things anymore lol) so i went all out when i bought it.
 
My contour fans pull less than 20amps each on the high or the low fan at full tilt. When first starting they pull the most amperage....

Im thinking you may have a bad fan motor. Or, something is wrong with your wiring. Under load that alternator should increase output to about 14.5v.
 
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My contour fans pull less than 20amps each on the high or the low fan at full tilt. When first starting they pull the most amperage....

Im thinking you may have a bad fan motor. Or, something is wrong with your wiring. Under load that alternator should increase output to about 14.5v.
What did you use for ignition source for the circuit? I tested yesterday and with 1 fan on I can idle at 13.9-14.1v for over 30 minutes.
 
Reserve Capacity (RC) is the number of minutes a fully charged battery at 80°F (26.7°C) is discharged at 25 amps before the voltage falls below 10.5 volts. To convert Reserve Capacity (RC) to Ampere-Hours at the 25 amp rate, multiple RC by .4167.
 
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