JRICHKER I TOO NEED YOUR HELP!

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FIRST OFF LET ME SAY THAT I READ ALOT OF FORUMS FOR HELPFUL INFO AND THIS SITE IS BY FAR THE MOST INFORMATIVE AND TECHNICAL THAT I HAVE COME ACROSS...THANKS

HERE IS MY SITUATION...I HAVE A 93 NOTCHBACK THAT WAS A 2.3 AUTO CAR. I BOUGHT A WRECKED 91 GT 5.0 T-5 AS A DONOR AND BEGAN THE CHANGE OVER. NOW THAT THE SWITCH IS COMPLETE, I AM GETTING NO POWER TO THE FUEL PUMP AND THE CAR DOES NOT CRANK? I USED THE 91 COMPUTER AND ENGINE WIRE HARNESS (EXCEPT THE PART OF THE HARNESS THAT GOES UP AROUNG THE HEADLIGHTS AND RAD). I AM USING THE 93 HARNESS THAT PASSES THROUGH DRIVERSIDE FIRE WALL INTO THE CAB AND I AM USING THE 93 DASH HARNESS. WHEN I DID THE CONVERSION IT WAS PRETTY MUCH PLUG AND PLAY?
I READ THROUGH TESTING THE FUEL PUMP RELAY USING THE TEST PORT AND DID THE STEPS BUT I AM NOT GETTING THE FUEL PUMP TO KICK ON. I HOT WIRED THE PUMP AND IT DID COME ON SO ITS GOOD. I DO HAVE 12 VOLTS TO THE RELAY ON THE RED WIRE...BUT NOTHING ELSE. INERTIA IS GOOD BUT NO POWER TO EITHER SIDE.
BOTH CAR STARTED AND RAN BEFORE THE CONVERSION.

I KNOW THAT I AM A ROOKIE ON THE SITE, BUT ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU
 
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Start at the top of the checklist and work your way through it.
Note what wires that are supposed to have power and what voltages are present on those wires.
There are 8 components and 8 wires, so it isn't that complex. Don't let the fact that it is electrical
and is computer controlled intimidate you.

Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.


No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump Relay:
On 91 cars, it is located under the driver seat.
On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.

C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Theory of operation:
Read this section through several times. If you understand the theory of operation,
this will be much easier to troubleshoot. Refer to the diagram below frequently.

Diagram of the fuel pump wiring for 91-93 cars.
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The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.


The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns
the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red
wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the
computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to
complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the
contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the
right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the
relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay
contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows
through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow
wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the
brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel
pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.


Power path:
Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92
or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the
WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be
mistaken for the fuel pump relay.

Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look
for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No
voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Inertia switch:
The location for the inertia switch is under the plastic for the driver's side taillight.
There should be a round plastic pop out cover over it, remove it to access the switch button.
With the test connection jumpered and ignition switch in The Run position as described above, check
the brown/pink wire. It should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open
or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the dark
green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire (inertia switch output). Power on the
dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire means the inertia switch is open.
Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position. Sometimes the inertia switch will
be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that there is 12 volts on both sides of the
switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop measured across the switch is less
than .75 volts.


Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test
point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the
black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less
than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

Make sure that the power is off the circuit before making any resistance checks.
If the circuit is powered up, your resistance measurements will be inaccurate.


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Control path:
Relay: The red wire for the fuel pump relay coil gets its power feed from the ECC relay.
No 12 volts here, and the ECC relay has failed or there is bad wiring or bad connections
coming from it. The ECC relay is located on top of the computer, which is under the passenger’s
side kick panel. It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side
dash speaker out to access it.

Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts.
Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange
wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken
wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the
computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector.
It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow.
No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer
and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe
the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn
the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump
the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer
does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)
for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information

Fuel pump runs continuously:
The fuel pump relay contacts are stuck together or the light blue/orange wire
has shorted to ground. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket. Then disconnect the computer and use
an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange wire and ground. You should see
more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t
jumpered to ground.
If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.

Prior to replacing the computer, check the computer power ground. The computer has its own
dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to
it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a
black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up
next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness
 
jrichker, something is not right?
on what i feel is the relay are these wires

red-12 volts only when key is on
pink or peach/yellow-nothing?
pink or peach/blue-nothing?
black/yellow-nothing?

am i looking at the right relay? only 1 other relay that i can find and that is the pmc relay up right by the computer (pass side kick panel)

i have no pink/black or dark green/yellow wires at my pump relay? i got nothing at my pump or inertia switch. i traced the dark green/yel wire from the inertia switch up around the dash over to a green connector then into the pcm on the pass side...thats where it stops. every diagram i look at doesnt add up. you diagram shows the dark green/yel wire also going to the fuel pump, can't find it.

furthermore, ordered a fuel pump relay from auto zone to see if i was looking at the right thing and the prongs dont even come close?

help me please.
 
also, my test port has these wire

dark blue/org-in location where i am supposed to test?
light blu/org-also in the location where i am supposed to test?
light tan/light green- in different slot on test port, so i been using it

pmc has 12 volts to it and also has good ground.

please help. i can take pics if needed.
 
Two Questions:
Do you know how simple electrical circuits work?
Can you read electrical diagrams?

If the answer to either one of the above questions is no, this will be much more difficult to troubleshoot.

If you are below the power curve in the electrical understanding department, here's a free online course in automotive electoral systems to help you out.
Try Automotive Online Instruction for a beginning course. I have checked it out, and it is very good. It is also FREE, so that is a very good thing.

Understanding the electrical theory part of the fuel pump troubleshooting tech note is very important. Without that understanding, your success rate drops off very quickly.

The fuel pump relay for the 93 model 5.0 Mustangs is up under the MAF. Do not confuse it with the A/C cutoff relay.
Earlier model 5.0 Mustangs had it under the driver's seat.
Since you have a crossbreed, the relay could be in either place.

These wires are for the A/C cutoff relay. They have nothing to do with the fuel pump.
red-12 volts only when key is on
pink or peach/yellow-nothing?
pink or peach/blue-nothing?
black/yellow-nothing?

All voltages are measured at the fuel pump relay socket unless otherwise specified.
 
yes i have the ability to read and understand electrical schematics. my problem is that i do not have a fuel pump relay at the pass engine bay under the maf or under the driver seat/pass seat or anywhere else in the cab of the car...

my car to start was a 93 auto and it was converted using 91 with t-5 trans. i used the engine harness and computer from the 91 car but left the dash and headlight harness from the 93.

through searching this site, i found some info stating that they thought that if you started with a 92-93 car, you had to convert using either a 92-93 car? something about when they moved the fuel pump relay from under the drivers seat to the shock tower. if that is the case, given that the 93 4cyl car fuel relay was built into the ccrm in the engine bay and i took that out with the 4cyl harness, i dont have one because in 91 it was under seat...:notnice: any insite to that???

here is the thread title i found. man i hope he's wrong!

OFFICIAL FOUR CYLINDER to V8 CONVERSION Do's & Don'ts MERGED THREADS

please let me know, and i will check out that site anyway, just in case i am completely missing something basic-thanks
 
does anyone have a clue as to if a 93 4cyl auto can be converted using a 91 gt 5.0 t-5 with the 91 computer computer and engine harness. it appears that i am missing the fuel pump relay altogether, due to the relocating of it between those years. little late to figure this out now i know but not too late!
no smog pump or ac...not getting power to fuel pump and no cranking from the key
please any help would be appreciated.