oh dear god. here we go again.
RedGTvert said:
Well you pretty much insinuated such by issuing a quote from Tims partner that he has never seen a 500rwhp P1 setup. Please don't deny that.
read what Andy said. he said he doesn't deny there could be one to hit 500, just that he hasn't seen one. the reason is because they usually top out at the 480-500 range.
RedGTvert said:
All I pointed out was that I have seen a 500 rwhp P1, and not to call me a liar.
and i didn't call you a liar....
RedGTvert said:
If you want to compare 8-12# kits, generally the P1 will make more power.
because the P1 has an intercooler. the power difference isn't very large considering one is intercooled and one isn't! i'm sorry if that is a hard concept to grasp.
RedGTvert said:
I learned years ago, there is no such thing as an absolute fact other than the two we all know. One being we all die sometime, and the second we will pay taxes. Other than that it is pigheaded and ignorant for anyone to claim it is an absolute fact. Hopefully you are not claiming that you are pigheaded and ignorant.
what a lame attempt at a passive-aggresive insult. i guess according to you 600rwhp is not more than 500rwhp then.
RedGTvert said:
Here you go again, claiming absolute fact. It is your opinion, and until I hear it from some higher being, then it cannot be an absolute fact and you have no way to back up that you are the right person to claim it is an absolute fact.
i don't know what kind of math you were taught in school, but where i come from, 600hp is more than 500hp. that would be a fact, not an opinion.
RedGTvert said:
I am surprised that you are still building boost, but then going flat. No saying it isn't true. I know from my own personal experience, my GT made power right through redline on a 3.33 pully.
it's going flat for the last 500rpm upto redline. i don't understand what is so hard to understand here.
RedGTvert said:
If we are talking about torque, it is partially true, but from y experiences, the stepup ration has much more to do with the TQ numbers being so much better than the S-trim. With the 4.10 stepup, you are seeing more boost earlier in the rpm band than the S-trim, which is where TQ is made. You can make similar peark HP numbers, but I will take a 35-50 lb.ft of TQ advantahe anytime.
again, most of that is due to TIMING. intercooled vs non-intercooled. remember?
RedGTvert said:
Here you go again, quoting what you think as facts. You did not state an P1 is maxed out at 500rwhp, you stated that it could not be done. I claimed I had seen it with my own two eyes.
you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG on this account. go back and read post #20 of this thread. i wrote "the P1SC dies around 500rwhp while the S trim has gone well past the 600 mark.".
please quit making stuff up.
RedGTvert said:
Reliability? Where is it fact the P1 is not as reliable as an S-trim. I have seen both of them break. That is as bad as the P1 guys claiming the P1 is much better than the S-trim because you don't have to punch a hole in the oil pan. Here again, it is my opinion this is a bogus argument, but would never have the stones to claim FACT!!
Yes, the P1 has had seal issues, but then again, the S-trim kit when it first came out for the 99's and years following, had all sorts of issues with the idler pully it supplied. It took almost 2 years, possibly three to get that corrected, and many people were down because of it. I am not sure, but I think
Vortech is on gen 3 of the idler issue.
seeing as how the P1 has had several instances of seal failure, i'd say it's not reliable. i'm not aware of any idler pulley problems. i've had my blower since 01 with no problem with anything except the factory tune and the Walboro fuel pump. to me a problem with the headunit, you know, the most important/expensive part of the kit, is much more troubling than a pulley.
RedGTvert said:
Again, until you can prove to me it is a fact, something that I do not believe you could do, because you think (sorry Tim, not meant as an insult) whatever Tim and the guys at MPH feel are the facts, then your argument is jaded and senseless.
Bottom line, choosing a power adder is a personal choice, and if they are setup correctly, they will both do the job. I happen to approach things with an open mind, and not take one persons word as FACT!, something you are so inclined to do.
These arguments have gone on for years, just like which power adder is better, or from my older days of modding, which carb. is better or is fule injection so much better than a carb. These differing opinions will always be there, and it comes to choice. I like Chocolate, you like Vanilla. Does that make either one better than the other . . . Nope. But I will never claim for a FACT! that Chocolate is better than Vanilla.
Peace.
um, ok. i guess you know more than the pro's how could i have ever doubted you. please do me a favor and get a P1-SC kit and make over 669rwhp or whatever the top S trim has made and prove me wrong.
now if you'll excuse me, i'll go do something more productive. like play Call of Duty 2 on Xbox 360.
. LOL funny stuff, and yea I know your no newb. Youve probably been around longer than gearbanger (check...YEP)....SOOOO maybe hes your desciple! YES, i had it back wards! LOL
Mine looks like a rediculously long run on sentence!
(btw I know that facts "own" someone....not opinions. I was just playing around.)
. Im in the middle of eating grits for crying out loud!...and your not helping
