No More Offroad Mid Pipes?

Lots of pictures of the smog, but I’m wondering about what the assault on the senses must have been like at ground level.

ive had coworkers travel to China to various industrial areas and comment that it was unbearable at times. You can smell and taste it.

I know we knock the EPA because they frown on car enthusiasts pulling cats off their cars to gain 5HP, but the end result of their policies is some of the cleanest air on the planet here in the US. I’m speaking more towards industrial polluters. Of course when you start going that direction things get political so I’ll just stop where I am and refocus back on fox bodies.

I wonder if anyone has a back to back dyno of a fox body with an off-road h-pipe and an aftermarket h-pipe with high flow cats. I’m curious what the power difference would be.
 
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ive had coworkers travel to China to various industrial areas and comment that it was unbearable at times. You can smell and taste it.

I know we knock the EPA because they frown on car enthusiasts pulling cats off their cars to gain 5HP, but the end result of their policies is some of the cleanest air on the planet here in the US. I’m speaking more towards industrial polluters. Of course when you start going that direction things get political so I’ll just stop where I am and refocus back on fox bodies.

I wonder if anyone has a back to back dyno of a fox body with an off-road h-pipe and an aftermarket h-pipe with high flow cats. I’m curious what the power difference would be.
I'll hit up the guys on engine masters, they may just do it but I would imagine it has been done.
 
I'll hit up the guys on engine masters, they may just do it but I would imagine it has been done.

I’ve actually been searching. Can’t really find much for a fox body other than seat of the butt or et claims.

 
I’ve actually been searching. Can’t really find much for a fox body other than seat of the butt or et claims.

I also could not find anything on dyno comparison but I would imagine when manufacturers were selling them they would have 'dyno claims'.
 
ive had coworkers travel to China to various industrial areas and comment that it was unbearable at times. You can smell and taste it.

I know we knock the EPA because they frown on car enthusiasts pulling cats off their cars to gain 5HP, but the end result of their policies is some of the cleanest air on the planet here in the US. I’m speaking more towards industrial polluters. Of course when you start going that direction things get political so I’ll just stop where I am and refocus back on fox bodies.

I wonder if anyone has a back to back dyno of a fox body with an off-road h-pipe and an aftermarket h-pipe with high flow cats. I’m curious what the power difference would be.

I don't think people knock the EPA because of the stated goal. I think they knock them for crazy government overreach.


In the Age of Obama, there are many viable candidates for the official title of Washington’s “Private Sector Enemy Number One.” You could make a strong case for the National Labor Relations Board, the Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration, and others, but my choice would be the Environmental Protection Agency.

For over 20 years, I have gathered stories about ways in which the EPA has perpetrated misfeasance and malfeasance, misdeed, and mischief. Let me say that I mean no offense to the many employees of the EPA who conduct their professional lives with integrity and on the basis of sound science. My target is the hyper-politicized leadership of EPA and its henchmen who have misbehaved.



Here are just a few of the significant “lowlights” of the EPA’s record:

The political nature of the EPA became clear not long after President Nixon established it in 1970. In 1972 the first administrator of the EPA, William Ruckelshaus, banned the insecticide DDT after his own hearing examiner concluded, on the basis of several hundred technical documents and testimony of 150 scientists, that DDT ought not to be banned.

In 1978, the EPA tried to suppress research showing the cost of proposed air pollution standards. If Pennsylvania’s two senators at the time (John Heinz and Richard Schweiker) hadn’t intervened, the EPA would have imposed standards stringent enough to effectively shut down the U.S. steel industry.

In 1991, a panel of outside scientists brought in to review EPA practices concluded (among other things) that the EPA often tailors its science to justify what it wants to do and shields key research from peer review. EPA Administrator William Reilly acknowledged, “scientific data have not always been featured prominently in environmental efforts and have sometimes been ignored even when available.”

The EPA has ignored epidemiological evidence to foment false alarms about the dangers of ozone, radon, Alar (used in apple orchards), dioxins, and asbestos. The asbestos story is illustrative. Not only did the EPA, in 1989, decree an eight-year phase-out of asbestos despite studies from Oxford, Harvard, the Canadian Royal commission, New Jersey, etc. that the health risks posed by asbestos-lined buildings were miniscule, EPA's administrators even ignored the EPA’s own scientific panel, which denounced the study used to justify the ban on asbestos as “unconvincing,” “scientifically unappealing,” and “absurd.” (Thankfully, sanity returned and EPA Administrator Reilly rescinded the ban a year later.) The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals officially deep-sixed the asbestos ban in October, 1991, on the grounds that the EPA had exceeded its legislated authority—a not-uncommon finding replicated multiple times in subsequent years, such as when the EPA has used the Clean Water Act (which pertains explicitly to “navigable waters”) as a pretext to regulate lands where puddles form after heavy rains.

It seems that the most visible EPA Administrators were the most problematical. In the 1990s, under the leadership of Carol Browner, the EPA refused to divulge how it calculated cost-benefit analyses. Indeed, in 1997 Browner admitted that new research would be required to set a “scientifically defensible” standard for air quality issues that would “fill obvious and critical voids in our knowledge.” The Browner-led EPA also blatantly broke federal law by actively lobbying against legislation designed to curb some of EPA’s abuses. Browner herself broke the law by defying a federal judge’s orders and overseeing the erasure of the hard drives and the destruction of back-up email tapes that she had used as administrator.


One of the most amazing rulings to come out of Browner’s EPA was a letter sent to the city of San Diego, ordering them to stop treating the sewage pouring into the Tijuana River Valley on the grounds that human actions were disturbing the “sewage-based ecology” of the affected estuary—ignoring the fact that the sewage posed a health threat to human beings (whose “ecology” obviously wasn’t considered as important by the EPA).

In 1993, Senator Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) wrote to Browner expressing concern that EPA hadn’t submitted a report of cost-benefit studies it was required to submit to Congress under Section 812 of the 1990 Clean Air Act amendments. Not only did Browner not even bother to reply, the agency still hadn’t completed a report by 1995. Meanwhile, the EPA is notorious for imposing fines on businesses that are late in submitting the piles of paperwork filings that EPA requires of them.

So bad did things get during Browner’s tenure that in 1996, a 27-year veteran microbiologist at the agency went public with his concerns about the lowering of scientific standards under Browner, alleging, for example, that the science EPA used in wastewater toxicity tests was unreliable, and that EPA had become more interested in issuing regulations than in practicing sound science. Similarly, during the summer of 1998, a dozen career employees at EPA went public about the agency’s “egregious misconduct.” These whistleblowers charged that people who work at EPA “are harassed, even fired, for protesting illegal or irresponsible behavior by managers who jeopardize the proper enforcement of the law.”


Barack Obama’s recently departed EPA Administrator, Lisa Jackson, also distinguished herself by placing political agendas over sound science (and also, like Browner, breaking the laws governing the computer records of public officials—in her case, by trying to hide what she was doing through use of a bogus email identity).

Jackson showed her disregard for scientific rigor by seeking to replace actual samples of air quality with computer estimations of air pollution. Considering the agency’s considerable power to act as judge and jury and bring businesses to their knees, it hardly seems like justice to empower the EPA to enter whatever data it chooses into a computer program and essentially produce evidence based on its own assumptions.

There is much more to tell about the EPA’s troublesome history, but this is enough depressing information for one article. Part Two will soon follow.
 
No cats for me. I bought a kit from Anderson with nice exhaust, Pro M. Accufab.Ect Ect. came with a dyno sheet that was spose to make 30 extra hp. I dont think so ,my car does not go at all. If I had the money I would get the mini ceramic cats from LMR. $170 nice to know its there for that price. Probably cost $170 to have them welded. Welding is expensive where I live.....My car does not stink because I have a Diablo chip that was programmed on a dyno
 
ive had coworkers travel to China to various industrial areas and comment that it was unbearable at times. You can smell and taste it.

I know we knock the EPA because they frown on car enthusiasts pulling cats off their cars to gain 5HP, but the end result of their policies is some of the cleanest air on the planet here in the US. I’m speaking more towards industrial polluters. Of course when you start going that direction things get political so I’ll just stop where I am and refocus back on fox bodies.

I wonder if anyone has a back to back dyno of a fox body with an off-road h-pipe and an aftermarket h-pipe with high flow cats. I’m curious what the power difference would be.
I've never been to China, but I've heard it's real bad. I've spent plenty of time in Mexico, and it's real bad in the industrial centers. Leon has this sulphur stink in the air that is almost unbearable. I'm greatful to live in a Country that values keeping their air and water clean. I don't have cats on my Mustang, but I honestly don't drive it much, and it has passed emissions without them. I'm starting to realize that taking them off when I was 19 years old really wasn't worth it. Back then we didn't have all this high flow cat stuff though.

Kurt
 
Mexico is crazy with crap cars. Smoke bellowing out of completely blown motors, smashed windows,leaking fluids. We used to go there twice a year twenty five years ago. I doubt much has changed. Air fair,hotel,food was about 600 bucks. Very safe back then , and lots of fun. I just went for a ride to see Christmas lights with the top down and kept trying to smell for exhaust. Not much there with the cool air the car was running nice.
 
Mexico is crazy with crap cars. Smoke bellowing out of completely blown motors, smashed windows,leaking fluids. We used to go there twice a year twenty five years ago. I doubt much has changed. Air fair,hotel,food was about 600 bucks. Very safe back then , and lots of fun. I just went for a ride to see Christmas lights with the top down and kept trying to smell for exhaust. Not much there with the cool air the car was running nice.

You wouldn't even recognize it today. Monterrey is a boom town. The city has grown past the airport now. When I started going there in 2007 it was 20 minutes of driving through wilderness before you got to the city. Our hotel over looks the interstate through the city. 4 out of 5 cars on the roads are less than 3 years old. All the tar paper shacks are gone. People have money there now.

Kurt
 
What does Bookface say. Or how different does conversation go. I am considering doing that because of the parts sales.

it’s a younger population. Lots of “f the neighbors I’m doing a burnout”, I don’t need cats, f the govt”, and some alpha male one-ups man ship.

there are some good groups, but some you need thick skin to post in some of them. If you offer advice, expect it to get challenged.

the marketplace is well worth it, you just gotta lurk for everything else.
 
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My wife would give me crap for being on Facebook....For a good reason, I had a ton of girlfriends in high school, and I come from a small town. Great times as a kid then I packed the U-Haul and just left. Always wondered what became of everybody.
 
My wife would give me crap for being on Facebook....For a good reason, I had a ton of girlfriends in high school, and I come from a small town. Great times as a kid then I packed the U-Haul and just left. Always wondered what became of everybody.

a lot of the posters just make a generic page, like “Mustang Mike” and a picture of a car and post like that. No personal info.

of course, those posters tend to be the most abrasive since they are still somewhat anonymous. I’ve seen arguements break out and other people start digging through a persons profile to insult their wife or anything else they have personal info on.

I really try hard to refrain from posting I really do. I’ve been recognized by stangnetters as well.
 
I don't so much smell the exhaust while driving very much without the cats, I do have tailpipes which maybe helps but if I decide to back the car into the garage it does stink up the basement. and then sometimes the rest of the house depending on how long it ran, which doesn't please the wife too much....
 
Kind of makes me wonder what a street in a busy city smelled like in the '60s with all those cars burning leaded gas with no cats.
Smog Alerts to stay inside. Playing outside made my lungs hurt when I breathed. Some days you could cut it with a knife. Tons of cars burning oil out the exhaust and nobody cares. Most motorcycles are 2 cycle, and the diesels.....